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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That doesn't fly with me. If you're in a SUV driving through a residential area where there are plenty of stop signs and the SUV never actually stops moving, it doesn't take a burst of genius to realize that you must be blowing through stop signs. And then there's the "Chris Christie factor" - even if he didn't know about it, he's the guy who's held responsible.
    Hmmm so the news crews says 2 stop signs and you say many and 'blowing through'. Either they stopped for many of your many or there were not that many... Did the news crew say the SUV never stopped or did a rolling stop or just 'blew through'?

    Now if you are a tourista gawking out the window of your first limo ride I can see you noting stop signs and such, but if you have position papers to read, communications to make, agendas to check... you might not be gawking out the window all that much...

    WAAAAAAY too much ASS-u-ming going on here.

    Held responsible- now that covers a lot of nothing much... just what should he or for that matter Christie do?

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Hmmm so the news crews says 2 stop signs and you say many and 'blowing through'. Either they stopped for many of your many or there were not that many... Did the news crew say the SUV never stopped or did a rolling stop or just 'blew through'?

    Now if you are a tourista gawking out the window of your first limo ride I can see you noting stop signs and such, but if you have position papers to read, communications to make, agendas to check... you might not be gawking out the window all that much...

    WAAAAAAY too much ASS-u-ming going on here.

    Held responsible- now that covers a lot of nothing much... just what should he or for that matter Christie do?
    it doesn't matter if it was 1 stop sign running a stop sign is against the law. speeding 45 in a 30 is enough to have to appear before a judge. the person driving should be held accountable.

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    it doesn't matter if it was 1 stop sign running a stop sign is against the law. speeding 45 in a 30 is enough to have to appear before a judge. the person driving should be held accountable.
    First, I was just trying to get the 'story' straight, some posters tend to ahhh create facts, just want a bit of accuracy.

    So let's start on your post... it isn't 'a law'. It is a civil code, a traffic violation. Many don't notice the difference but there is one. Break a law and you get cuffs and a look inside the local jail. Violate a civil code and it's a citation- fail to pay and appear on the date listed- NOW you break the law.

    Next the 'doesn't matter the number' reminds me of 'if it saves one child'... it does matter.

    Ummm 15 over doesn't require an appearance, it is a violation. You can pay the fine without ever appearing before a judge. Most cops will write down a ticket to under 10- much smaller fine, ask me how I know...

    On the last part I agree, unless someone has proof the Mayor ordered the driver to ignore speed limits, stop signs and spit on the sidewalk- it is on the driver. I have long said cops need to obey ALL traffic codes, speeding is one of the most common violations cops do.

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
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    yet you should.
    only because you assign it a meaning it most likely doesn't even have. How do we know he even realized what they were doing? He wasn't behind the wheel of the car I don't see how it was his fault.

    Even if he was driving the car I wouldn't make any huge leaps to character judgment that people here are so eager to do. I just think it's ridiculous and it has nothing to do with his party affiliation.

    When Clinton and that ML scandal came up, I couldn't have cared less about that either.

    Making a deal out of this is a predatory behavior on the part of the public as far as I'm concerned.
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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I never claimed you was in anyway unique...

    I have driven back east, I can tell you it is a whole 'nother mindset.

    But at least admit you have to ASS-u-me the Mayor knew the traffic rules were being broken in order to tut-tut him on this.
    The man was sitting in the front passenger seat. How can you say he didn't know the driver was blowing through stop signs?

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You think the Mayor has no say on what his driver does expecially when he is sitting in the front passenger seat.
    What I think is that the officer was driving exactly as he was taught to drive when working the Mayor's security detail, and that the Mayor was letting the officer do his job. I think that if I'm wrong about the first part, then the officer's behavior should be addressed by the police department.

    What I think is that it is a ridiculous waste of time to follow the mayor around and tape his movements until you find something that you can turn into a scandal and/or a story.

    I also think that if a news crew followed around people like you and I without our knowledge, they'd eventually catch us doing things we'd rather not see on the nightly news.
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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    The man was sitting in the front passenger seat. How can you say he didn't know the driver was blowing through stop signs?
    Ummm there isn't any proof the Mayor was in the front seat, the reporter claims he was (we suddenly love the lying lame stream media???) but offers no proof, none of him leaving the speech, none arriving at the office, just a rather quick 'out take' of video. The reporter was rolling her eyes over this, it appears she had an agenda- which is fine but i'd like to see some proof beyond a claim he was in the front seat.

    Now past having a good head shake over this, just what should be done?

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I never blow through a stop sign even if there is no visible traffic. Within reason, the whole system functions on "contract". That is why nothing but a painted line keeps you from a head on collision. It seems to me that if you are promoting "contract", you should be observing it.
    Without arguing whether or not the mayor of New York City needs an official security detail (because I have no idea if he does or if he doesn't and I have no interest in a discussion of the subject), if he is to have an official security detail then it's probably going to break some of the conventions of safe driving in order to do its job.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Let me put it this way. This guy is publicly arguing for traffic safety. Now, since he obviously doesn't believe in it, how much influence will his impassioned pleas result in? Mission Unaccomplished.
    I don't think this means the mayor doesn't believe in public safety any more than I think that having an armed security detail would would mean that he doesn't believe in gun control.

    For that matter, saying the mayor doesn't believe in public safety is like saying the cops don't believe in public safety because they speed and blow traffic control devices when they're on an emergency call.
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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    What I think is that the officer was driving exactly as he was taught to drive when working the Mayor's security detail, and that the Mayor was letting the officer do his job. I think that if I'm wrong about the first part, then the officer's behavior should be addressed by the police department.

    What I think is that it is a ridiculous waste of time to follow the mayor around and tape his movements until you find something that you can turn into a scandal and/or a story.

    I also think that if a news crew followed around people like you and I without our knowledge, they'd eventually catch us doing things we'd rather not see on the nightly news.
    I don't think we would have even heard about this if the Mayor hadn't just started his push to ticket the common people for traffic violations and pedestrians for jay walking.

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I don't think we would have even heard about this if the Mayor hadn't just started his push to ticket the common people for traffic violations and pedestrians for jay walking.
    Whether or not he's pushing the police department to ticket people has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not his security detail is driving appropriately. The two have nothing to do with each other. Any attempt to compare them is a false equivalence.
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