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    Re: "NYC: More Black Babies Killed by Abortion Than Born " This is so sad

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I already listed a few. Feel free to do some research for more. Real research too - not a liberal blog.
    Try two and that speaks volumes in itself.

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    Re: "NYC: More Black Babies Killed by Abortion Than Born " This is so sad

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Try two and that speaks volumes in itself.
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    Re: "NYC: More Black Babies Killed by Abortion Than Born " This is so sad

    Let me guess...You are Navy's cousin?

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    Re: "NYC: More Black Babies Killed by Abortion Than Born " This is so sad

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    So..instead of aborting unwanted pregnancies resulting in children living in abject poverty and pulling more drain on the welfare system and public assistance programs...you're willing to adopt and raise these future children.

    Good for you!
    It shouldn't be an either/or proposition. I don't have the answers, but it can't be good to have a demographic aborting more than birthing and a demographic with just less than 20% of the population accounting for just over 40% of all abortions in the jurisdiction.

    It would be interesting to see statistics that indicate the percentage of other minorities in the population and their incidence of abortion to birth. I'd expect that there's a large latino population in metropolitan NYC with a similar level of poverty in the group. Would it tell us something if their incidence of abortion to birth is significantly different?

    Seems to me, your comment is simply an excusing and an acceptance of a negative trend - I'd hate to think that America has taken the position that abortion is a public policy initiative to control poverty in minorities by reducing the minority population going forward.
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    Re: "NYC: More Black Babies Killed by Abortion Than Born " This is so sad

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It shouldn't be an either/or proposition. I don't have the answers, but it can't be good to have a demographic aborting more than birthing and a demographic with just less than 20% of the population accounting for just over 40% of all abortions in the jurisdiction.

    It would be interesting to see statistics that indicate the percentage of other minorities in the population and their incidence of abortion to birth. I'd expect that there's a large latino population in metropolitan NYC with a similar level of poverty in the group. Would it tell us something if their incidence of abortion to birth is significantly different?

    Seems to me, your comment is simply an excusing and an acceptance of a negative trend - I'd hate to think that America has taken the position that abortion is a public policy initiative to control poverty in minorities by reducing the minority population going forward.
    It's not an excuse. I am an adoptive mother of one and a biological mother to another. I have the both of best world's.

    However. Abortion is not something I necessarily advocate for, but I'm sick and tired of the pro life crowd spewing this kind of "how sad" crap when there are other options than abstinence (just for example). I do not see a lot of "let's think of other options", just a lot of finger pointing about who's more morally bankrupt.

    To be clear..it has LESS to do with race and MORE to do with the fact that most unwanted pregnancies occur in poverty. Period.
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    Re: "NYC: More Black Babies Killed by Abortion Than Born " This is so sad

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Spot on!

    I worked for a decade in some of NYC's worst neighborhoods (South Bronx, Harlem, East New York, Crown Heights, etc) during the height of the crack epidemic and was never shot at or mugged. In fact, I was never the victim of any crime while in those neighborhoods.
    That's funny, I lived in them, and I can assure you I have a different experience.
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    Re: "NYC: More Black Babies Killed by Abortion Than Born " This is so sad

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That's funny, I lived in them, and I can assure you I have a different experience.
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    Re: "NYC: More Black Babies Killed by Abortion Than Born " This is so sad

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    It's not an excuse. I am an adoptive mother of one and a biological mother to another. I have the both of best world's.

    However. Abortion is not something I necessarily advocate for, but I'm sick and tired of the pro life crowd spewing this kind of "how sad" crap when there are other options than abstinence (just for example). I do not see a lot of "let's think of other options", just a lot of finger pointing about who's more morally bankrupt.

    To be clear..it has LESS to do with race and MORE to do with the fact that most unwanted pregnancies occur in poverty. Period.
    This clearly states the abolition 'issue' as it is discussed. It's not about the mother or the unborn child. It's not about providing real choice nor is it about the welfare and well being of pregnant women. It is about the politics of cause.

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    Re: "NYC: More Black Babies Killed by Abortion Than Born " This is so sad

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The news is sad, and the resulting back and forth is also sad.

    The reality is we're going to have a bad and sad situation whether we continue to allow abortion in most cases or if we change to disallowing abortion in most cases. There's not going to be any simple quick fix.

    On one hand, you're looking at 30K+ lives that will never actually come to be. On the other hand, you'd be looking at 30k+ children born to homes where they're not wanted, can't financially support it, or some other less [Romney]"Ideal"[/Romney] situation and thus likely creating a drain on society OR causing a child to enter into a horrible disadvantaged life.

    It's an unfortunate damned if you do, damned if you don't situaiton that we've gotten ourselves into in this country.

    There's not a doubt in my mind that people are less concerned with the notion of getting pregnant since there is a relatively simple "out". There's also no doubt in my mind that if abortoin is made illegal there will still be a sizable percentage of those 30k+ instances that would still had pregnancy occur.

    The problem we're having isn't necessarily one of laws, but of culture. Because this debate is so polarized and so emotional you can't even tend to get reasonable middle ground to be understood.

    Yes...contraception is a GOOD THING. Yes, people should be made aware of contraception and we should make it as accessible as possible. Even if you think that will make more people have sex, the better and more important question would be if that meant more people who were having sex used protection. I'd take 100 people having sex and 90% of those using protection over 50 people having sex and 50% using protection.

    Yes...abstinence being the safest and best choice should be highlighted. Sex should not be constantly portrayed in society as a hobby akin to going out and playing basketball. Abortion should be viewed with some social stigma and a means of dealing with an emergency and NOT a relative routine thing that can be relyed upon if a mistake occurs.

    Those 30k abortions were going to have a largely negative impact in some fashion REGARDLESS of the law on abortion, because our society has created a situation where you could even get to that many unwanted pregnancies in a community in a single year. That's the sad part to me; that we've allowed ourselves to go so far down the road that we're faced with this damned if you do/damned if you don't situation.
    I would like to know why 30,000 babies were not wanted. Doesn't that seem extreme?

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    Re: "NYC: More Black Babies Killed by Abortion Than Born " This is so sad

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Exactly. I tried to explain to them that no one wants to be talk at. If you are sincere about getting us out of our situation, then you should open a dialogue and say

    "Okay , this is what the democrats have been giving you and this is why its not working. We have an alternative solution that will get you out of the mess you are in."

    But instead they do this:

    "You all are bringing down the country and you need to get your sorry a**es in shape..... Don't forget to vote republican"
    People hear what they want to hear.

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