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    Re: US to Ukraine: Get Security Forces out of Independence Square

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is that goal post getting heavy?
    Hm, no, I'm not carrying any.
    What threats, specifically, did he make that you believe he won't carry out?

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    Re: US to Ukraine: Get Security Forces out of Independence Square

    Not another "red line in the sand" statement. Just what does he mean by "consequences"?

    He'd have been better off just to stick with the original "get security forces out," or better yet, "Mr. Yanukovych, tear down these security forces!"
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    Re: US to Ukraine: Get Security Forces out of Independence Square

    There's no way we do anything more than "threaten" or sanctions. This is the kind of thing that Putin won't back down over and could escalate exponentially.

    It does have some parallel to the Cuban missile crisis, where the Ukraine is Cuba, and Russia doesn't want us on their doorstep.
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    Re: US to Ukraine: Get Security Forces out of Independence Square

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ooooh, I bet they're skeered, now! Obama might get on TV and talk ****, or something...lok!

    US to Ukraine: Get security forces out of Independence Square Hot Air
    That is the Europeans' neighborhood and Russia's. Red Lines should be left to them and the US can help its allies, if need be.

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    Re: US to Ukraine: Get Security Forces out of Independence Square

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That is the Europeans' neighborhood and Russia's. Red Lines should be left to them and the US can help its allies, if need be.
    Correct. This is a civil war - or the start of one. The U.S. shouldn't even comment.

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    Re: US to Ukraine: Get Security Forces out of Independence Square

    This civil war would have major effects on the Global economy. Russia pipes millions of gallons of oil and natural gas to Europe through the Ukraine. Any civil war that erupts in this Russian satellite state will involve Russia and Russian forces due to the major disruption to the Russian economy since anti-Russian forces would likely target control of the pipelines for leverage. In fact it could easily be just that threat that Russia uses as an excuse to come to the aid of his puppet government.

    If a full blown civil war starts it threatens the energy supply of half of Europe... which the EU states could then use as justification for getting involved.

    This is the kind of event that has the capacity to cascade into very bad things for everyone.
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    Re: US to Ukraine: Get Security Forces out of Independence Square

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not another "red line in the sand" statement. Just what does he mean by "consequences"?

    He'd have been better off just to stick with the original "get security forces out," or better yet, "Mr. Yanukovych, tear down these security forces!"
    The Ukranians would be better off if he kept his pie hole shut. Him making threats only envouraged the government to shoot people.
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    Re: US to Ukraine: Get Security Forces out of Independence Square

    Putins rebuilding the former Soviet Union.
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    Re: US to Ukraine: Get Security Forces out of Independence Square

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not another "red line in the sand" statement. Just what does he mean by "consequences"?

    He'd have been better off just to stick with the original "get security forces out," or better yet, "Mr. Yanukovych, tear down these security forces!"
    Its Hot Air, don't expect good information. And its adpst, what do you expect?

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    Re: US to Ukraine: Get Security Forces out of Independence Square

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Its Hot Air, don't expect good information. And its adpst, what do you expect?
    Hot air? Coming from the president? Say it ain't so!
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