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    Re: Noose Found Around The Neck Of Statue Honoring Civil Rights Icon At Ole Miss

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You assume from the git-go that it's an overtly racist act, spurred on by an entire culture?
    I didn't say that. However when witnesses say that 2 white guys did it and hollered "white power" that seems pretty overtly racist to me. It has nothing to do with the South, but it does seem that theses 2 guys are racist.


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    Re: Noose Found Around The Neck Of Statue Honoring Civil Rights Icon At Ole Miss

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    If you didn't say that then the "for those outraged" doesn't apply to you.

    The usual suspects always respond to these incidents as if it is a certainty that they were perpetrated by racist whites. .
    Followed viscerally by the usual right wing apologists who want to believe it is a hoax perpetuated by those on the left. When in reality, more often than not, it is racism.

    Who is kidding whom here?

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    Re: Noose Found Around The Neck Of Statue Honoring Civil Rights Icon At Ole Miss

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who are the morons that convinced everyone that a hangman's noose is, by itself, racist?
    So two white guys yell "white power," put a noose on the statue of the first black man to attend Ole Miss, and that's somehow not racist? It wasn't a random statue in a random place.


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    Re: Noose Found Around The Neck Of Statue Honoring Civil Rights Icon At Ole Miss

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    If you didn't say that then the "for those outraged" doesn't apply to you.

    The usual suspects always respond to these incidents as if it is a certainty that they were perpetrated by racist whites. Ofttimes the response is in an especially exaggerated and hysterical manner. The recent incident at Oberlin is illustrative. For days after the college administration found out it was a hoax they went on with campus wide exercises in victim mongering, cancelling classes, holding special meetings, etc. When they found out who the perps were they hushed it up and refused to press charges.
    Where's the evidence? What does the eyewitness evidence support?

    Guy, did you read my comment #23? If you haven't, then please do so - there's something that might help you understand what life in the MS Delta is like.

    I said that I've personally seen those false-flag claims by blacks, too - but most of the time, it is by white racists. I'm sorry you don't believe that, but that's reality.

    But more importantly, you seem to think that white racism isn't that bad. Again, I grew up there - I know how it really is. At one time I was one of those white racists - it's almost automatic when one grows up a white male in the MS Delta. That's simply the way it is. And you know what? The great majority of those white racists are what I call "good racists"...in that they would risk their lives without a second thought to save a black guy in danger - they'll invite the blacks into their homes, share a cup of coffee, give them lots of vegetables from the garden, shake hands with them or even give them a sincere hug...but as soon as the blacks are out of earshot, out comes the n-word and all the old assumptions and prejudices.

    That's how it is Down South, guy. If you disagree or simply don't want to believe it, that's your problem...because I lived it. It's getting better, but only slowly.
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    Re: Noose Found Around The Neck Of Statue Honoring Civil Rights Icon At Ole Miss

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So you assume from the get go that it's a hoax? Witnesses saw two white guys do it. So your contention is that it's a hoax because....you have other evidence? You're looking for something to blame Liberals for? You just can't wrap your head around the fact that there are still racists in Mississippi? (clearly not everyone, but there's probably some as there are everywhere)
    The story I linked did not say that witnesses saw anyone doing it, just that there were two white guys in the area. (And you assume that they must have done it?) The police had little hope of catching the person(s) who did it. If you are recalling a different news report then please link it.

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    And if you'll check, most instances of political false-flag operations tend to be committed by racists. Remember the girl who etched that backwards 'B' into her face? And how many times have we seen people claim that "some black guy did it" when it turns out they did it themselves?

    Yes, there will be times that blacks use false-flag tactics - I've seen it myself. But it's much more often that racists whites do it, just so they can get away with whatever it is that they wanted to do. This is how a lot of blacks got lynched back in the day: "That white girl was raped and killed, so it must have been that n****r who did it!"

    And FYI, I grew up about 30 miles from Ole Miss, and I've got family there in Oxford right now...and here's a little experience that might help you to understand what things are like there. The MS Delta has the highest percentage of African-Americans in America - Sunflower County (where my family home is (well, was until earlier this month)) is 71% black. And when I visited there for a couple weeks back in the summer of 2012, when the presidential election campaigning was at its height, guess how many Obama stickers and t-shirts I saw there?

    None. Zero, zip, nada.

    I asked a close black friend named Eddie (who knows I am a liberal Obama supporter) why this was, and he looked at me with sad eyes, and said, "You know why."

    And he was right. I did know why. Because if a black guy were to have an Obama sticker or t-shirt, he or his family members would probably find themselves without jobs in this right-to-work state.

    That's the way it is in Mississippi, guy. The whites - many (or perhaps most) of whom are still quite racist (including many in my own family) - still hold the power, both political and economic. And when I say that perhaps most are still racist, a Pew poll back in April of 2011 found that 46% of Republicans in this (heavily Republican) state STILL thought that interracial marriage should still be banned.

    So...no, the noose around the statue was almost certainly not a false-flag operation. That's just the way it is in Mississippi. It's getting better, if only slowly, glacially so...but that state has a long, long way to go.
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    Where's the evidence? What does the eyewitness evidence support?

    Guy, did you read my comment #23? If you haven't, then please do so - there's something that might help you understand what life in the MS Delta is like.

    I said that I've personally seen those false-flag claims by blacks, too - but most of the time, it is by white racists. I'm sorry you don't believe that, but that's reality.

    But more importantly, you seem to think that white racism isn't that bad. Again, I grew up there - I know how it really is. At one time I was one of those white racists - it's almost automatic when one grows up a white male in the MS Delta. That's simply the way it is. And you know what? The great majority of those white racists are what I call "good racists"...in that they would risk their lives without a second thought to save a black guy in danger - they'll invite the blacks into their homes, share a cup of coffee, give them lots of vegetables from the garden, shake hands with them or even give them a sincere hug...but as soon as the blacks are out of earshot, out comes the n-word and all the old assumptions and prejudices.

    That's how it is Down South, guy. If you disagree or simply don't want to believe it, that's your problem...because I lived it. It's getting better, but only slowly.
    And yet they have a life sized bronze statue to honor a black civil rights hero on campus and everyone gets upset when it is dishonored. Some bunch of racists they are!

    I've been to the Mississippi gulf coast many times where, in my experience, people have a more cosmopolitan attitude and you never seen racism openly expressed. I would think that the same would be true of a major university campus. The culture of the campus and that of the surrounding town are often completely different.

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    Re: Noose Found Around The Neck Of Statue Honoring Civil Rights Icon At Ole Miss

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    For those outraged by the mere suggestion of it, here's a recounting of racial hoaxes over the last few years:

    A recent history of hate-crime hoaxes | Conservative Intelligence Briefing

    There is no excuse for dismissing or ignoring this possiblity.

    I think this has become the most likely cause of such incidents. That is, at least when it is expressed in this sort of gross, raw, unmistakable form. There is plenty of racism of the "dogwhistle" sort; i.e., racism that only the especially sensitive sorts can appreciate.

    Why would members of a minority fake such things? Perhaps they are not seeing enough real racism these days so they have to make it up. "Victim" is an identity too valuable to give up easily.

    It's too bad that the police hold out little hope of catching who did it. Hoaxers tend to repeat, though, so we may yet find out if that's what's going on.
    I'm not outraged I thought my post signaled the smell of cat piss in the air. Lying always brings about cat piss smell...

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    Re: Noose Found Around The Neck Of Statue Honoring Civil Rights Icon At Ole Miss

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    The story I linked did not say that witnesses saw anyone doing it, just that there were two white guys in the area. (And you assume that they must have done it?) The police had little hope of catching the person(s) who did it. If you are recalling a different news report then please link it.
    Two racist white guys were seen in the area (or at least they were heard saying racist things). A racist gesture occurred. It is possible that they didn't do it, but circumstantially it looks like it.

    That is more evidence than "I think it's a hoax because I want to."


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    Re: Noose Found Around The Neck Of Statue Honoring Civil Rights Icon At Ole Miss

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
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    Such gross and stupid incidents of racial incitement often turn out to be false flag operations.



    Do you have any proof that this was a 'false flag' operation?

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    Re: Noose Found Around The Neck Of Statue Honoring Civil Rights Icon At Ole Miss

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    The story I linked did not say that witnesses saw anyone doing it, just that there were two white guys in the area. (And you assume that they must have done it?) The police had little hope of catching the person(s) who did it. If you are recalling a different news report then please link it.
    So there's a possible indication that two white guy may have had something to do with it, but nothing concrete...but there's not even a possible indication that it was a false flag operation, other than in the minds of those who want to believe it.

    And yet they have a life sized bronze statue to honor a black civil rights hero on campus and everyone gets upset when it is dishonored. Some bunch of racists they are!
    'scuse you. "Everyone" isn't even close to everyone - it's the blacks and the non-racist whites who get upset. Those whites who are racist or who tolerate racists either don't care about or even support that statue being dishonored.

    I've been to the Mississippi gulf coast many times where, in my experience, people have a more cosmopolitan attitude and you never seen racism openly expressed. I would think that the same would be true of a major university campus. The culture of the campus and that of the surrounding town are often completely different.
    And the Gulf Coast is not the Delta. Out here in Washington state it's like there's two states - the liberals on the west side of the Cascades, and the conservatives on the eastern side of the Cascades. Same thing in Mississippi - the Delta's like no other part of America. Not only that, but you'll find that the half of MS north of Jackson is also significantly different - with generally greater overt racial tension - than the half of MS south of Jackson. But as I pointed out - having been a racist, remember - once they're out of earshot of the blacks (or of whites they haven't yet come to trust), out comes the n-words and all the racist assumptions and prejudice. You haven't seen it because you haven't been a real part of the community. I've seen it - I've lived it.

    But when it comes to the college campuses, an interesting thing happened in the 2012 MS GOP primary. All the counties with the highest percentages of African-American populations - the Delta and the area around Jackson - voted for Romney...and so did the counties where Ole Miss and MSU are located. But pretty much the rest of Mississippi's 82 counties - the whitest counties - voted for Santorum. Now one would think that all that was normal since Romney was seen as more liberal than Santorum, and the heavily-black and the college counties would naturally be more liberal...

    ...but less than one percent of those who voted in the GOP primary were black. This begs the question of why is it that - given that the Delta is to this day ground zero for racism in America - the whites in the counties that were most heavily black voted for the less conservative Romney, yet the whites in the 'whitest' counties voted for Santorum (who has his own problems with race - Google "Santorum blah people" sometime). That's an interesting question, and I still haven't figured it out yet.
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    Re: Noose Found Around The Neck Of Statue Honoring Civil Rights Icon At Ole Miss

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Why do you feel the need to preemptive come up with an excuse, especially one based on pure speculation?
    Pro-Tip: Whatever conclusion you came up with while reading that headline is also speculation.
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