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'Joe The Plumber' Describes His New Union Job

solletica said:
Wrong. In a non-right-to-work state, you may work for any corporation that has not signed a union-security agreement w/out joining a union.
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most of the major corporation more so in the trade field are unionized for major corporations.:doh
 
ludin said:
most of the major corporation more so in the trade field are unionized for major corporations.:doh
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I don't know any major corporations that represent a trade field. Most are independent contractors or small companies. Could you name one?
 
justabubba said:
no one has said buying a GM auto while decrying the auto builder bailout is hypocritical. other than you. where did you get that?
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I was drawing an analogy here I thought that was fairly obvious, but I guess not.
 
joko104 said:
Yes, that is what the auto industry and most other companies capable of doing have done. LEAVE union shop states where you have to contribute to the Democratic Party if you want a job in that industry.
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It is what I did as well. Union wages made the cost of living a challenge for non union people. When my wife got pregnant with our son we were looking in to a bigger house (ours was a very cool 1br 1ba craftsman cottage built in 1951) and discovered that we would both have to work full time to pay for while our son would be raised in a day care. So we decided to move, and after much research ended up here in the north Georgia mountains. I opened my own business (coming up on our 7th anniversary now), something I would not have been able to afford to do up there.

When he was old enough to go to school she went back to school too, funded by Pell and Hope, and is now a medical lab technician. I have friends up there who are union and still struggle to make ends meet while we are debt free. I took up shooting sports as a hobby, something that is nearly impossible in the communist state of Illinois, and we love it. Much lower cost of living, less stress, and better schools to boot. The property tax rate here is 1/4 of what it was there.

And here, our politicians don't look down on us and tell us how to live, they come to dinner with us and value our opinions. As Doug Collins said at one of our meetings, "I love coming back here. I can get real fried chicken, fried okra, and I know for a fact I am not the only one carrying". Another thing he said that brought the room down, "We are in the 9th Congressional district, said to be the most conservative on the east coast. I am often asked by those in Washington what is wrong with people down here, I respond that there is nothing wrong with them, they are real Americans. The rest of the country just hasn't caught up yet."
 
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Top Cat said:
Samuel Wurzelbacher's encounter with Barack Obama gave some material to Republicans who were eager to brand the Illinois senator a socialist. Today, the man better-known as "Joe The Plumber" has himself a union job.

It might seem like an odd fate for Wurzelbacher, whose status as a mini celebrity in the 2008 presidential race paved the way for a book deal and a failed congressional bid. A quick scan of his Facebook page makes it clear that he's still the same guy who said last year that America needs a "white Republican president again."


'Joe The Plumber' Describes His New Union Job, Contemplates The Meaning Of 'Tea Bagger'

I'm not sure which is funnier...

That he works for a company that was bailed out, or that he's a union guy now.

Either way, you can't make this **** up.
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Sometimes you don't have a choice. If you want to work and you're a one skilled individual and the unions own that industry/trade - what other options do you have?

In some areas the only way to get a license to be a plumber is if you join the local union.

Hell, I'm anti-union and at one point I had to work for a union to pay bills and resented every second of it (not the job but being part of the union).....

So, it's not funny - it just goes to show how much unions actually control.

A lot of people want to complain about the rich - well how much money do you think these union bigheads make???? These guys make 8 figures and use union dues to contribute to politicians that will keep them in those positions.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Sometimes you don't have a choice. If you want to work and you're a one skilled individual and the unions own that industry/trade - what other options do you have?
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go somewhere else
go work somewhere else that is not unionized
start your own non-unionized shop
get another career
be born into a wealthy family
but one thing is for certain, there is no one holding a gun to the job applicant's head forcing him to accept a job at a unionized bargaining unit

In some areas the only way to get a license to be a plumber is if you join the local union.
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show us some American cities that refuse to issue a license to a tradesman who does not carry a union card. you insist they are out there. now show us that you know what you are posting about

Hell, I'm anti-union and at one point I had to work for a union to pay bills and resented every second of it (not the job but being part of the union).....
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wow. a unionized job helped you pay your bills, and you resented the fact that you actually had an entity looking out for your well being on the job. you don't sound very grateful

So, it's not funny - it just goes to show how much unions actually control.
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unlike employees who work on 'at will' jobs, the union employees are not subject to the arbitrary whims of the owners/managers, which could adversely affect their working conditions. unions keep employees from being powerless pawns


A lot of people want to complain about the rich - well how much money do you think these union bigheads make???? These guys make 8 figures and use union dues to contribute to politicians that will keep them in those positions.
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yes, those corporate big wigs make nothing i suppose. well, unless they are unionized, chances are the employees are making close to nothing. meanwhile, the elite are hogging the majority of the new wealth
never understood how so many people could be convinced to argue against their self interest. this is but a recent prime example
 
justabubba said:
go somewhere else
go work somewhere else that is not unionized
start your own non-unionized shop
get another career
be born into a wealthy family
but one thing is for certain, there is no one holding a gun to the job applicant's head forcing him to accept a job at a unionized bargaining unit


show us some American cities that refuse to issue a license to a tradesman who does not carry a union card. you insist they are out there. now show us that you know what you are posting about


wow. a unionized job helped you pay your bills, and you resented the fact that you actually had an entity looking out for your well being on the job. you don't sound very grateful


unlike employees who work on 'at will' jobs, the union employees are not subject to the arbitrary whims of the owners/managers, which could adversely affect their working conditions. unions keep employees from being powerless pawns



yes, those corporate big wigs make nothing i suppose. well, unless they are unionized, chances are the employees are making close to nothing. meanwhile, the elite are hogging the majority of the new wealth
never understood how so many people could be convinced to argue against their self interest. this is but a recent prime example
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Try Cook County Illinois - in order to be an HVAC, electrician, plumber etc you "need" to join the union - it's not a prerequisite but it certainly is frowned on if you're not union, because 9/10 times the county will refuse your license...

Of course then the only way these guys can get work is if they find potential customers you ****ing hate unions...

Unions should be illegal because they violate monopoly laws.

If I was a politician I would make it my ****ing business to destroy all labor unions and institute right to work....

Hard working people shouldn't be forced to join a POS union just to feed their families..

The best part is that my great-great grandfather was a union big shot delegate here in Chicago in the 30's - now I want to destroy it all.

Also unions didn't do a goddamn thing for me besides steal 100 bucks a month out of my paycheck calling them "union dues."
 
Mr.Nick said:
Try Cook County Illinois - in order to be an HVAC, electrician, plumber etc you "need" to join the union - it's not a prerequisite but it certainly is frowned on if you're not union, because 9/10 times the county will refuse your license...
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Translation: You don't need to join a union but you do "need" (air quotes) to join a union

Also unions didn't do a goddamn thing for me besides steal 100 bucks a month out of my paycheck calling them "union dues."
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Translation: After admitting that joining a union helped him get a job, he'll deny that joining a union did him any good.
 
sangha said:
Translation: You don't need to join a union but you do "need" (air quotes) to join a union



Translation: After admitting that joining a union helped him get a job, he'll deny that joining a union did him any good.
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How the hell do you know what he thinks?

Who the hell are you Nostradamus?

I can't speak for Joe, but I can about my own experiences - and I didn't appreciate them at all. they ripped me off.

I'd much rather prefer working as a general contractor.

But if Joe is as disenfranchised as I am with our present government an the numerous bureaucracies in every state that wants every worker to be a union licensed worker........ Then odds are the man feels the same way I do.

The problem is that the man probably is just as angry as I am but has more to lose than I do.

But you can only speculate on his intent - meanwhile I'm telling you mine.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Try Cook County Illinois - in order to be an HVAC, electrician, plumber etc you "need" to join the union - it's not a prerequisite but it certainly is frowned on if you're not union, because 9/10 times the county will refuse your license...
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then your earlier post was a lie. quell surprise! now you finally admit that there is NO union prerequisite to become licensed. you just made that **** up

Of course then the only way these guys can get work is if they find potential customers you ****ing hate unions...
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because people believe trade unions stand for something. quality work and brotherhood. qualities not found so much in corporate America

Unions should be illegal because they violate monopoly laws.
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making more **** up, again. being in a union might be more desirable - because the union has already established a stable, safe and well compensated workplace - does not make it a monopoly. all you have to do is start a non-union shop and compete against the union companies. it's that easy. and because it's that easy, it means your claim of 'monopoly' is total bull****. you have the ability to compete ... but do you have what it takes to compete and succeed. i am guessing no, since you show no inclination to try

If I was a politician
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well, you have the bull**** part down

... I would make it my ****ing business to destroy all labor unions and institute right to work....
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and you don't even need to be a politician to do this. all you need to do is begin a non-union business that competes with the union to such a degree that the customers want to buy from you rather from the unionized company. that's how you put them out of business. i look forward to all of your excuses why you cannot do this

Hard working people shouldn't be forced to join a POS union just to feed their families..
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well, we agree on something. there should be no compulsion to join a union. i believe if you will report to the police exactly who pulled a weapon on you and coerced you to sign up with a unionized company that they will offer you satisfaction and pursue that rogue. but i am speculating that you joined the union of your own free will. because the opportunity at a unionized work place was much better than what was available but un-unionized. you want the benefits of unionization, only you don't want to have to pay for them. time to grow up and recognize that you get what you pay for. don't want to pay union dues, then find non-union employment ... and quit whining because you made that choice

The best part is that my great-great grandfather was a union big shot delegate here in Chicago in the 30's - now I want to destroy it all.
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my story is quite the opposite. my Grandfather was one of the hired guns who worked for the mill owners in the south. he was paid to quell any union sentiment, prior to and during the depression. that knowledge is part of what drove me to become a union activist, initiating bargaining units, serving as a union president, and establishing an entirely new "mixed" union of public and private sector employees

Also unions didn't do a goddamn thing for me besides steal 100 bucks a month out of my paycheck calling them "union dues."
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and yet you voluntarily stepped up to accept a unionized job knowing you would be expected to pay union dues. i m sure there is a word for someone who voluntarily elects to do something and then whines about having to do it
 
apdst said:
Wait, it was a plot organized by McCain's campaign?
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No. It was McCain not vetting the guy. But then everyone other than you already knew that.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Sometimes you don't have a choice.
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Considering his celebrity status he has had his opportunities. I seriously doubt Chrysler held a gun to his head.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Sometimes you don't have a choice. If you want to work and you're a one skilled individual and the unions own that industry/trade - what other options do you have?

In some areas the only way to get a license to be a plumber is if you join the local union.

Hell, I'm anti-union and at one point I had to work for a union to pay bills and resented every second of it (not the job but being part of the union).....

So, it's not funny - it just goes to show how much unions actually control.

A lot of people want to complain about the rich - well how much money do you think these union bigheads make???? These guys make 8 figures and use union dues to contribute to politicians that will keep them in those positions.
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Unions are Big Business, in it for themselves, and luckily many working people have recognized this. They were valuable at a certain time in history but no longer. Now they are no better than a protection racket.
 
Top Cat said:
No. It was McCain not vetting the guy. But then everyone other than you already knew that.
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Someone has to be vetted before he can question The Massiah?
 
Grant said:
It's coming to that, and the low infos appear to be all for it.
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The LIV's are hostile toward anyone who doesn't pay hommage to The Messiah.
 
Grant said:
McCain has to vet anyone who speaks out against Obama???
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McCain put the guy in the spotlight and sold him as something he was not. Typical from him. Can you say Sarah Palin?
 
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