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'Joe The Plumber' Describes His New Union Job

Fletch said:
Sooo, he came out against unions? Or no? One can be for limited government and unions. But you would know that if you actually kept up and didn't just spout leftist nonsense.
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Oh please. Spare the nonsense. Teabaggers are nonunion. He tries to say he's against public unions and for private unions to save face. It's all flaming BS.
 
Top Cat said:
Oh please. Spare the nonsense. Teabaggers are nonunion. He tries to say he's against public unions and for private unions to save face. It's all flaming BS.
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So you have no evidence he ever came out against unions. That's what I thought. But it does show how little you know about the subject. Maybe if you would stop peddling the leftist crap and actually listen for once you might not look so silly.
 
Fletch said:
So you have no evidence he ever came out against unions. That's what I thought. .
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Well there you have it. Obviously thinking isn't your strong suit. And apparently reading isn't high on your list either.

I posted a link to the article in my OP which you obviously did not read.

Here's a hint. Try actually reading the article itself before you post your right wing rhetoric. It's all right there.

See how easy that is?
 
Top Cat said:
Well there you have it. Obviously thinking isn't your strong suit. And apparently reading isn't high on your list either.

I posted a link to the article in my OP which you obviously did not read.

Here's a hint. Try actually reading the article itself before you post your right wing rhetoric. It's all right there.

See how easy that is?
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So he opposes unions?
 
joko104 said:
The man said unkind things about Obama that caused some embarrassment to the president. Obviously he should be in prison and if not should be harassed and threatened if he goes in public. Obama established a rule for IRS retaliation against small business owners that speak against legislation named after him, "ObamaCare." Isn't it time to outlaw any derogatory or negative statements about him? Many countries have such laws. Shouldn't Obama sign an executive order prohibiting anyone speaking against him, not just small business owners?
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The man lied about damn near everything he claimed was his life. Didn't matter to the TP CONs as they have only a passing interest in the truth when it comes to winning an election.

Now the CON paranoia and dementia is going full force. IF President Obama did HALF the things some ranters love to spew, Ted Nugent would already be dead.... so remind me, when did that nut job die????
 
Fletch said:
So you have no evidence he ever came out against unions. That's what I thought. But it does show how little you know about the subject. Maybe if you would stop peddling the leftist crap and actually listen for once you might not look so silly.
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Let's see he criticized McCain for supporting the bailout of the very company he now works for.

But to your point on Unions, he spoke in support of Walker during the Governor's efforts to end COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS for some government employees- that would be UNION employees, so to most folks that would indicate he doesn't support unions and supports efforts to abolish a key provision of what makes a Union more than a bowling team...

So we have our TP CON hero going from buying the plumbing business he had worked for for a minute to working in a bailed out company in a Union Shop... oh how the humor in that!

Perhaps you should stop with the CON game and read a bit more about this hyprocite and liar.
 
Grant said:
Do you believe I would call a plumber of any political stripe 'a loser; or a'a nobody'. So far I have only seen the Democrats, the champion of the working man, say that sort of thing.
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Well, I hear what you're saying. Hat's off to the plumber's of the world. A noble trade.

But, on a brighter note, being called a loser or a nobody probably stings less than be called a slut....

Can Rush Limbaugh Survive the Outcry of His Comments About Sandra Fluke? - ABC News

Or a sitting U.S. President a subhuman mongrel.....
Ted Nugent hits campaign trail after calling Obama ‘subhuman mongrel’ – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Or a "nonsense liberal with instinctive mental defects"
Crazy Ann Coulter Quotes and Outrageous Statements

I suppose I could go on but I see no point in beating a dead horse.

Those damn democrats and their insults indeed!
 
notquiteright said:
Let's see he criticized McCain for supporting the bailout of the very company he now works for.

But to your point on Unions, he spoke in support of Walker during the Governor's efforts to end COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS for some government employees- that would be UNION employees, so to most folks that would indicate he doesn't support unions and supports efforts to abolish a key provision of what makes a Union more than a bowling team...

So we have our TP CON hero going from buying the plumbing business he had worked for for a minute to working in a bailed out company in a Union Shop... oh how the humor in that!

Perhaps you should stop with the CON game and read a bit more about this hyprocite and liar.
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You do realize its possible and even logical to support private sector unions and oppose public sector unions right? Plus I opposed the bailout of GM but drive a Chevy. Neither makes either a hypocrite.
 
rocket88 said:
Call me when Joe the Democrat Plumber is around. We'll see what you say then.
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Well, that will never happen - because as everybody knows only white Republicans actually work. All the rest of us are simply leeches on the nation.:lamo
 
Top Cat said:
Samuel Wurzelbacher's encounter with Barack Obama gave some material to Republicans who were eager to brand the Illinois senator a socialist. Today, the man better-known as "Joe The Plumber" has himself a union job.

It might seem like an odd fate for Wurzelbacher, whose status as a mini celebrity in the 2008 presidential race paved the way for a book deal and a failed congressional bid. A quick scan of his Facebook page makes it clear that he's still the same guy who said last year that America needs a "white Republican president again."


'Joe The Plumber' Describes His New Union Job, Contemplates The Meaning Of 'Tea Bagger'

I'm not sure which is funnier...

That he works for a company that was bailed out, or that he's a union guy now.

Either way, you can't make this **** up.
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Joe the dumber epitomizes all that is the tea party. Ignorant, angry, uneducated rabble that have barely a grasp on reality, but are more than willing to be hypocrites when it comes to their personal $$.
 
Fletch said:
You do realize its possible and even logical to support private sector unions and oppose public sector unions right? Plus I opposed the bailout of GM but drive a Chevy. Neither makes either a hypocrite.
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More CON games- you never said 'show where he opposed PRIVATE SECTOR unions'. :roll:

And while we are at it, what CON supports Unions which the CON game claims drives businesses out of a state/region/country???? :doh

You are trying to peel the onion and not doing a very good job.

Driving a vehicle is a far cry from WORKING there- again more CON games.

I just have to admire the spin you attempt. :2wave:
 
Fletch said:
You do realize its possible and even logical to support private sector unions and oppose public sector unions right?
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Round and round he goes....
 
notquiteright said:
More CON games- you never said 'show where he opposed PRIVATE SECTOR unions'. :roll:

And while we are at it, what CON supports Unions which the CON game claims drives businesses out of a state/region/country???? :doh

You are trying to peel the onion and not doing a very good job.

Driving a vehicle is a far cry from WORKING there- again more CON games.

I just have to admire the spin you attempt. :2wave:
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What are you talking about? Cant you follow a conversation? The guy joined a private sector union and was ridiculed for it. I asked for evidence that he ever spoke out against unions and none was provided. Plus, as I pointed out and you apparently didn't read, as a plumber it is likely he has been a member of a union before and unless he is going to freelance on his own, will likely need a union card to get hired. But I do get that you lefties cant grasp the fairly obvious distinction between a private sector union--which is what is and has been discussed throughout this entire thread--and a public sector union. Certain people, I guess, have the mental ability to make that distinction while other do not.

Top Cat said:
Round and round he goes....
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Your inability to answer my one, single, direct question is why you have to resort to this kind of substance free response. Lets try this one more time. Where did he denounce unions? Since you haven't answered that question up to this point I am quite certain you wont answer it now. The truth is, what you and your leftist pals are doing is attacking a leftist caricature of this guy and the tea party--two things neither of you know anything about. Clearly that doesn't stop you from commenting, but it leaves you with nothing but substance-free remarks like the one above.
 
Fletch said:
Did he come out against unions? Or did he just ask Obama a question?
I suspect that if the guy has been a plumber all his life this isn't the first union he has ever been in.
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 Plus it should be noted that not all union members are lock-step liberals. So whats your point here other than to slam a guy who had the gall to question the Messiah?
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"Joe the Plumber' was never a plumber.

He was a plumber's helper.

He wasn't in the union and he couldn't pull a permit.

IOW- He was an undocumented wrench-turner who did what he was told to do and was happy to get a paycheck.
 
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Fletch said:
What re you talking about? Cant you follow a conversation? The guy joined a private sector union and was ridiculed for it. I asked for evidence that he ever spoke out against unions and non was provided. Plus, as I pointed out and you apparently didn't read, as a plumber it is likely he has been a member of a union before and unless he is going to freelance on his own, will likely need a union card to get hired. But I do get that you lefties cant grasp the fairly obvious distinction between a private sector union--which is what is and has been discussed throughout this entire thread--and a public sector union. Certain people, I guess, have the mental ability to make that distinction while other do not.
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What are you talking about? Can't you recall what you asked? You didn't ask about a particular Union, just Unions in general. :roll:

Then when confronted with proof you are trying to peel the onion and claim well there is a difference between them (not when CONs are ranting about Unions there isn't :lamo )

You asked, got an answer you didn't like and tried to spin it away... Just another CON game!

You have ANY proof this loser was ever in a Union before? You demand proof but offer NONE yourself!

Now you look past the fact this guy was the poster boy for private sector small business ownership(like he would ever own anything outright) and was loud and proud about one day owning the plumbing business his boss ran (as if) and now is sucking Union teat in a bailed out company... :doh

Some CONs have the mental capacity to know when to stop digging but most just keep at the shovel... :2wave:
 
shrubnose said:
"Joe the Plumber' was never a plumber.

He was a plumber's helper.

He wasn't in the union and he couldn't pull a permit.
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And to be a plumber he needed to join a union. That's kind of how things work in the trade industry. My nephew wanted to be an electrician, and though he wasn't thrilled with the idea had to join the electricians union. But did he speak out against the union in the past? Maybe you will answer this since the OP wont.
 
notquiteright said:
What are you talking about? Can't you recall what you asked? You didn't ask about a particular Union, just Unions in general. :roll:

Then when confronted with proof you are trying to peel the onion and claim well there is a difference between them (not when CONs are ranting about Unions there isn't :lamo )

You asked, got an answer you didn't like and tried to spin it away... Just another CON game!

You have ANY proof this loser was ever in a Union before? You demand proof but offer NONE yourself!

Now you look past the fact this guy was the poster boy for private sector small business ownership(like he would ever own anything outright) and was loud and proud about one day owning the plumbing business his boss ran (as if) and now is sucking Union teat in a bailed out company... :doh

Some CONs have the mental capacity to know when to stop digging but most just keep at the shovel... :2wave:
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Again, it is a quite rational stance to be opposed to public unions but support private unions. Since what was being discussed was a private sector union, that is the issue. The truth is, he apparently never spoke out against private sector unions so him joining one is not hypocritical in any way. So it is the OP, and you , who are engaged in games. Grow up.
 
Fletch said:
And to be a plumber he needed to join a union. That's kind of how things work in the trade industry. My nephew wanted to be an electrician, and though he wasn't thrilled with the idea had to join the electricians union. But did he speak out against the union in the past?
Maybe you will answer this since the OP wont.
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Not my problem, and I'm not interested.

A lot of people do what they have to do to survive on this planet.

And a lot of others draft behind them.
 
Fletch said:
Again, it is a quite rational stance to be opposed to public unions but support private unions. Since what was being discussed was a private sector union, that is the issue. The truth is, he apparently never spoke out against private sector unions so him joining one is not hypocritical in any way. So it is the OP, and you , who are engaged in games. Grow up.
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Rational??? Then most CONs are quite irrational as they make NO distinction between public or private sector Unions, but again you yourself made no such distinction between private or public- ahhh until you was shown he did infact support gutting a Union's collective bargaining rights. :roll:

You are trying to spin out of your own ignorance on the subject with a typical CON game.

Time to grow up.
 
notquiteright said:
Rational??? Then most CONs are quite irrational as they make NO distinction between public or private sector Unions, but again you yourself made no such distinction between private or public- ahhh until you was shown he did infact support gutting a Union's collective bargaining rights. :roll:

You are trying to spin out of your own ignorance on the subject with a typical CON game.

Time to grow up.
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Im not spinning out of anything. And the only ignorance being shown in this thread is from you and the OP. Him criticizing public unions does not make him a hypocrite for joining a private sector union as the OP and now you are trying to say. FWIW you might address me and stop the childish "CON" references. You debate like a high school freshman.
 
Fletch said:
Im not spinning out of anything. And the only ignorance being shown in this thread is from you and the OP. Him criticizing public unions does not make him a hypocrite for joining a private sector union as the OP and now you are trying to say. FWIW you might address me and stop the childish "CON" references. You debate like a high school freshman.
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Well freshman puts me a few rungs up over most CONs... :roll:

AGAIN you asked if someone had any proof he ever criticized UNIONS, no reference to what type until you had to admit he had in fact supported gutting a UNION... :roll:

Fact is CONs don't make a hill of beans distinction between public or private sector unions- until they have no other way out.

Nice try though, and a plumber's helper doesn't have to join a Union. Again you offer NO proof this loser was ever in a Union before now- just ASS-u-me he did. :doh

But you also ASS-u-med he never spoke ill of ANY Union before... :lamo
 
Fletch said:
And to be a plumber he needed to join a union. That's kind of how things work in the trade industry. My nephew wanted to be an electrician, and though he wasn't thrilled with the idea had to join the electricians union. But did he speak out against the union in the past? Maybe you will answer this since the OP wont.
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What a cop out! No one is forced to join a union. What's stopping him from starting his own business? Where is that personal responsibility mantra when you need it;)
 
notquiteright said:
Well freshman puts me a few rungs up over most CONs... :roll:

AGAIN you asked if someone had any proof he ever criticized UNIONS, no reference to what type until you had to admit he had in fact supported gutting a UNION... :roll:

Fact is CONs don't make a hill of beans distinction between public or private sector unions- until they have no other way out.

Nice try though, and a plumber's helper doesn't have to join a Union. Again you offer NO proof this loser was ever in a Union before now- just ASS-u-me he did. :doh

But you also ASS-u-med he never spoke ill of ANY Union before... :lamo
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OK, I am going to make one last attempt here with you then I am going to move on. The OP mocked him for joining a union. I asked if he had ever criticized the union. The answer to that is apparently no. That was my point and no one has yet refuted it. End of story. Put up or shut up.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
What a cop out! No one is forced to join a union. What's stopping him from starting his own business? Where is that personal responsibility mantra when you need it;)
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How is that a cop out? Do you even understand the trade unions and how they work? What does personal responsibility have to do with anything? You are just throwing out disjointed leftist boilerplate.
 
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