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'Joe The Plumber' Describes His New Union Job

Fletch said:
How is that a cop out? Do you even understand the trade unions and how they work? What does personal responsibility have to do with anything? You are just throwing out disjointed leftist boilerplate.
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I understand perfectly well that a person can start their own trade business. Any whining that someone in a trade is forced to join is union isn't pulling himself up by his bootstraps:2razz:
 
Fletch said:
Did he come out against unions? Or did he just ask Obama a question? I suspect that if the guy has been a plumber all his life this isn't the first union he has ever been in. Plus it should be noted that not all union members are lock-step liberals. So whats your point here other than to slam a guy who had the gall to question the Messiah?
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And I'll try one more time to show you what you said... not 'this union', not 'private sector unions' but just plain oh, no hyphenated crap Unions.

See you CONs make no distinction between what type of union- until it is your only wiggle room to try and spin out of your ill informed comments.

Your double standard comes from demanding proof he ever was against unions but showing ZERO proof he ever was in a union. He does say he was in the AF as a plumber, does say he he is happy to be on a bailed out company's Union teat. And like most CONs he can peel the onion to justify his actions.

Oh and he hasn't been a plumber all his life, he held some sort of job in Global Communications- though it might have been to plunger the toilets and clean the bathrooms... ;)
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
I understand perfectly well that a person can start their own trade business. Any whining that someone in a trade is forced to join is union isn't pulling himself up by his bootstraps:2razz:
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Sorry, but working--in a trade union or otherwise--IS pulling oneself up by the bootstraps so your post is nonsense.

It would be nice if some liberal would step forward and say something of substance. So far, you are all shooting blanks.
 
Fletch said:
Sorry, but working--in a trade union or otherwise--IS pulling oneself up by the bootstraps so your post is nonsense.

It would be nice if some liberal would step forward and say something of substance. So far, you are all shooting blanks.
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Hey, I never said working in a trade union is not pulling yourself up by one's bootstrap. I said whining about being forced to do it is. Big difference between manhood and victim hood.
 
notquiteright said:
And I'll try one more time to show you what you said... not 'this union', not 'private sector unions' but just plain oh, no hyphenated crap Unions.

See you CONs make no distinction between what type of union- until it is your only wiggle room to try and spin out of your ill informed comments.
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Context is key. I know what I said and I said it in the context of the OP which ridiculed him for joining a union. If he had ridiculed plumbers unions in the past he would be pretty open to the charge of hypocrisy now. But if his criticism were of public unions which even union crusaders like FDR were against, then there is no hypocrisy. If you cant see this then you cant see it. But it cant be any more clear.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Hey, I never said working in a trade union is not pulling yourself up by one's bootstrap. I said whining about being forced to do it is. Big difference between manhood and victim hood.
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Did I say he was a victim? Did I whine about it? Or are you just criticizing things I didn't say because you have no ability to criticize the things I do say? I said he wasn't happy about it but I didn't say he whined about it or was victimized by it. Those are your words. Try to focus on what I say not what you wish I said.
 
Fletch said:
Did I say he was a victim? Did I whine about it? Or are you just criticizing things I didn't say because you have no ability to criticize the things I do say? I said he wasn't happy about it but I didn't say he whined about it or was victimized by it. Those are your words. Try to focus on what I say not what you wish I said.
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Why would he join if he wasn't happy about it?
 
There's pull yourself up by your bootstraps and then there is pull yourself up by the bootstraps. The first one implies using your own resources, the second implies using resources aside from self meaning help from other people. I can't decipher which one you guys are arguing about.
 
Beatrice said:
There's pull yourself up by your bootstraps and then there is pull yourself up by the bootstraps. The first one implies using your own resources, the second implies using resources aside from self meaning help from other people. I can't decipher which one you guys are arguing about.
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They are arguing just to argue. There is no real point to this thread. Not sure why I am even wasting my time.
 
Fletch said:
They are arguing just to argue. There is no real point to this thread. Not sure why I am even wasting my time.
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actually, there is an excellent purpose this thread is serving
many of us recall the reich wing celebrating joe the plumber single handedly taking on the president when he was a national candidate
only we now see said 'plumber' ensconced in a union job at a corporation bailed out by the government. we see that reich wing poster boy benefitting from the very programs he very verbally opposed
joe the plumber is once again the spokesmodel for the reich wing ... this time around, very visibly demonstrating its inclination towards hypocrisy
 
rocket88 said:
I didn't insult him. He was a nobody until he became a political pawn.

I've seen Liberals called much much worse.
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You said you dont care about him, then launched into an attack. That shows you care.
 
jonny5 said:
You said you dont care about him, then launched into an attack. That shows you care.
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That's what the thread's about. My contention is that we shouldn't care about this guy unless he suddenly decides to run for office again.
 
Fletch said:
What are you talking about? Cant you follow a conversation? The guy joined a private sector union and was ridiculed for it. I asked for evidence that he ever spoke out against unions and none was provided. .
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Once again, you have not read the article attached to the OP. It's right there. You're embarrassing yourself. Honestly, I'm done with your foolishness.
 
shrubnose said:
"Joe the Plumber' was never a plumber.

He was a plumber's helper.

He wasn't in the union and he couldn't pull a permit..
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Careful. Fletch doesn't work well with facts.
 
justabubba said:
actually, there is an excellent purpose this thread is serving
many of us recall the reich wing celebrating joe the plumber single handedly taking on the president when he was a national candidate
only we now see said 'plumber' ensconced in a union job at a corporation bailed out by the government. we see that reich wing poster boy benefitting from the very programs he very verbally opposed
joe the plumber is once again the spokesmodel for the reich wing ... this time around, very visibly demonstrating its inclination towards hypocrisy
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So if I buy a GM am I a hypocrite because I opposed the bailout? That is just utter nonsense. I oppose virtually everything the government does but because it does things that impact virtually every aspect of my life that doesn't make me a hypocrite.

Not sure what "CONS" you guys keep referring to, but I am the only one arguing this side so you might just address me so we can further the discussion a bit.
 
Top Cat said:
Once again, you have not read the article attached to the OP. It's right there. You're embarrassing yourself. Honestly, I'm done with your foolishness.
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And the answer is......
 
Fletch said:
So if I buy a GM am I a hypocrite because I opposed the bailout? That is just utter nonsense. I oppose virtually everything the government does but because it does things that impact virtually every aspect of my life that doesn't make me a hypocrite.

Not sure what "CONS" you guys keep referring to, but I am the only one arguing this side so you might just address me so we can further the discussion a bit.
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no one has said buying a GM auto while decrying the auto builder bailout is hypocritical. other than you. where did you get that?
 
rocket88 said:
That's what the thread's about. My contention is that we shouldn't care about this guy unless he suddenly decides to run for office again.
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Ok, so why not just show you dont care by not posting about him? Or are you saying you cant.
 
apdst said:
Y'all hate him because he dared questioj The Messiah.
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I don't hate him at all, but we all know what happens when someone dares to question the right's Messiah (Palin)....
 
Fletch said:
So if I buy a GM am I a hypocrite because I opposed the bailout? That is just utter nonsense. I oppose virtually everything the government does but because it does things that impact virtually every aspect of my life that doesn't make me a hypocrite.

Not sure what "CONS" you guys keep referring to, but I am the only one arguing this side so you might just address me so we can further the discussion a bit.
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Actually, I know someone who said he won't buy a GM in the future for that. But he was a Ford guy anyway (for some reason). I like GMs.
 
rocket88 said:
I don't hate him at all, but we all know what happens when someone dares to question the right's Messiah (Palin)....
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Nice try...lol

How is he a racist?
 
ludin said:
yet if you want to work for a major corporation you have to join the union.
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Wrong. In a non-right-to-work state, you may work for any corporation that has not signed a union-security agreement w/out joining a union.
 
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