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    Re: Kerry Slams Russia for 'Enabling' Assad to stay in Power.....

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It's more than the USA doesn't like Assad. We are creating the insurrection
    This is patently false, so the rest of your "DOWN WITH THE MAN!" diatribe becomes a meaningless non sequitur.

    I always find it cute when you can tell someone people used to believe the US were the "good guys". They found out that they weren't (no one is a "good guy", grow up lol- no one is a "bad guy" either), so they automatically now think of them as the "bad guy". Totally incapable of seeing anything other than black and white.
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    Re: Kerry Slams Russia for 'Enabling' Assad to stay in Power.....

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It's more than the USA doesn't like Assad. We are creating the insurrection and arming the terrorists and then attempting to impose our will upon the Syrian people that for the majority approve of Assad. We screwed up Iraq. We screwed up Libya. We screwed up Egypt. We are trying to screw up Syria and Ukraine. I think the USA has a large debt to Assad for maintaining a certain amount of regional stability during the Iraq imbroglio. We, the USA, are the terrorists. That's a fact, Jack. A forked tongue Sec'y of State, controlled media, influential Corporate players with an OIL agenda and simple hegemony are not a good foundation for anything, excepting HYPOCRISY.
    Has anyone thought about that Assad staying in power as a more or less secular ruler might be the best of some very bad outcomes? Like an Islamic republic or a government run by AQ
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Kerry Slams Russia for 'Enabling' Assad to stay in Power.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Has anyone thought about that Assad staying in power as a more or less secular ruler might be the best of some very bad outcomes? Like an Islamic republic or a government run by AQ
    Worked for the Klingons and the Federation. Why not the 22nd Century NWO.

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    Re: Kerry Slams Russia for 'Enabling' Assad to stay in Power.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Has anyone thought about that Assad staying in power as a more or less secular ruler might be the best of some very bad outcomes? Like an Islamic republic or a government run by AQ
    I don't see any viable alternative to Assad that favors US/UN or regional interests. an Islamic state would be OK, but it would depend on who has the power.

    The last thing we want is a radical state, or even partitioning of Syria- if the states are too small, it just invites more "civil wars"
    ( I put it in quotes because this is more then an internal Syrian war).

    About the best we can do is try to negotiate some kind of stalemate; leaving Assad strong enough that the foreign fighter will leave - having no ability to maintain the positions.
    Tamp down the internal al_Nusra and see if the place can stop it's war.

    The next problem is the country is in shambles, and the refugees, but until the war stops nothing can be done

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    Re: Kerry Slams Russia for 'Enabling' Assad to stay in Power.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Has anyone thought about that Assad staying in power as a more or less secular ruler might be the best of some very bad outcomes? Like an Islamic republic or a government run by AQ
    It's probably best in the long run. Allowing this continue for a bit longer could hold some attraction for Western powers, though.
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    Re: Kerry Slams Russia for 'Enabling' Assad to stay in Power.....

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    This is patently false, so the rest of your "DOWN WITH THE MAN!" diatribe becomes a meaningless non sequitur.

    I always find it cute when you can tell someone people used to believe the US were the "good guys". They found out that they weren't (no one is a "good guy", grow up lol- no one is a "bad guy" either), so they automatically now think of them as the "bad guy". Totally incapable of seeing anything other than black and white.
    Endless links can be provided to show the USA is sending money and arms to the terrorists. CIA. Saudi. Bandar Bush. Get your head out of that can and remove your very narrow blinders. They's a real world out there.

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    Re: Kerry Slams Russia for 'Enabling' Assad to stay in Power.....

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Endless links can be provided to show the USA is sending money and arms to the terrorists. CIA. Saudi. Bandar Bush. Get your head out of that can and remove your very narrow blinders. They's a real world out there.
    And you should join it. None of that means the US created the insurrection, nor does it even mean it would have ceased existing had the US not supported it.
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    Re: Kerry Slams Russia for 'Enabling' Assad to stay in Power.....

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    I don't see any viable alternative to Assad that favors US/UN or regional interests. an Islamic state would be OK, but it would depend on who has the power.

    The last thing we want is a radical state, or even partitioning of Syria- if the states are too small, it just invites more "civil wars"
    ( I put it in quotes because this is more then an internal Syrian war).

    About the best we can do is try to negotiate some kind of stalemate; leaving Assad strong enough that the foreign fighter will leave - having no ability to maintain the positions.
    Tamp down the internal al_Nusra and see if the place can stop it's war.

    The next problem is the country is in shambles, and the refugees, but until the war stops nothing can be done

    What happens if the Saud and Qataris aid stops to the Rebels/Terrorists?

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    Re: Kerry Slams Russia for 'Enabling' Assad to stay in Power.....

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    And you should join it. None of that means the US created the insurrection, nor does it even mean it would have ceased existing had the US not supported it.
    Right, and if it's dark, it's hard to thread needles. You spew nonsense and the Media talking points like you're in the real World, which you are not.

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    Re: Kerry Slams Russia for 'Enabling' Assad to stay in Power.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    What happens if the Saud and Qataris aid stops to the Rebels/Terrorists?
    I would think that would dry up the Sunnis.
    But I don't know, as the battlefield is most of the country, and the weapons are there. Anyways. The goal has to be to get the regional powers to stop supporting their proxies.

    One reason Iran should have been included in the talks, but Kerry had a ~snitfit~ so they were dis-invited, again because of this "transitional" nonsense

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