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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Government has been spying on us and everyone else forever.
    Good thing they were spying on Russia and Cuba when we found their nukes 90 miles from our shores.
    Rand Paul wants a "new Republican party", in today's news.
    DEM liberals who buy his garbage on drones, NSA, Clinton/Lewinsky are unwittingly part of this "AMASH" coalition .
    They can spy on other countries all they want, I could care less. It's up to foreign governments to protect their citizens against U.S. spying. It's up to Americans to protect ourselves from our own government's spying.

    I do not want a state where they have access to everything we all do at all times because it opens the door to incredible potential for abuse. It is far too much power to put into their hands especially considering the lack of transparency.

    The Pauls are going to use this politically, of course. I do not care, I would not vote for them anyway. If we have to work with them to fight this overreach then so be it.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I'm more comfortable with McCain delicately discussing how to get a peace than I am Snowden.
    Pulling out the AQ card when convenient shows how serious you are for the plight of what
    Putin/Assad have done in their massacre of women and children,
    especially with chemical weapons.
    Remind me again what Assad had to do with the World Trade Center getting knocked down? And McCain wasn't "delicately negotiating peace". He was openly pushing for war against Assad and McCain was willing to work with Al-Qaeda to make it happen. That's the behavior of a traitor. And Putin wouldn't even be in the picture if we didn't draw lines in the sand to begin with.

    I'm glad Snowden revealed the spying being done by the NSA.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    McCain was openly pushing for war against Assad and McCain was willing to work with Al-Qaeda to make it happen.
    As were so many other GOP members before Obama adopted their position.
    Doesn't it make you puke how most GOPs play politics with foreign policy, like Ron and Rand Paul.
    I'm glad Snowden revealed the spying being done by the NSA.
    Aren't you glad that snowden continues to give away our state secrets on other countries after the fact and going forward?
    Just like telling the Soviets we knew they had nukes in Cuba .
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    That's the behavior of a traitor..
    Tell me again how a decorated Vietnam POW can be a traitor after his continued decades of service to his nation in the Senate.
    This is what passes for Libertarian today .
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Remind me again what Assad had to do with the World Trade Center getting knocked down?
    Do you support A$$AD and PUTIN massacreing children and women with chemical weapons while the GOP was doing hand-stands
    over how they felt Putin was winning?
    Americans don't feel so good about Putin and $nowden at this time, nor his treatment of his citizens across-the-board .
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    And McCain wasn't "delicately negotiating peace".
    So you were privy to those talks.
    He was openly pushing for war against Assad and McCain was willing to work with Al-Qaeda to make it happen..
    The USA has worked with some pretty awful people to accomplish an ends in the past.
    I suppose we should have fought Stalin also, as well as Hitler .
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Sure SB......and any can look Hugh Hewitt.com up to and look at all his articles up over it.


    Read more: Snowden Is Both A Hero And A Traitor - Business Insider
    OK. I haven't read the article yet (I will though) but I'll go along with that headline.

    I now have to wonder, when he first made this stunning decision, what did he expect? Initially, the big reveal was "the NSA is spying on all of you, thus pooping on your 4th amendment rights and your transparent president has kept his silence". So, what did he expect?

    Apparently he thought that he could be forgiven once we saw what an outrage this was. This has been going on for years, a conspiracy with thousands of participants. This had to leak eventually. Funny, because if they had told us and kept reasonable guidelines, we would have accepted this. Hell, we're accepting it now. You think the government is scared of us? We're just units of population to them.

    Instead, nobody offered him a safe haven, America is calling for his death and he ended up with our competitors. So, maybe he's pissed off and that's why he's offering stuff up this late in the game. Or maybe it's not true. Maybe there is nothing else. We've been lied to before, and on so many levels.

    If I were him, I wouldn't like America anymore. From his POV we haven't appreciated his sacrifice.

    As for a vicious circle of cyber spying between the two countries but that's how espionage works. Then it seems like this won't surprise anybody very much. The BIG reveal was that they spied on us, their very own citizens. I would EXPECT the NSA to spy on other countries - to earn their salaries.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Anytime it takes a person five posts to respond to one of mine then I know I've won.
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    Each distortion and lie needs to be given special treatment.
    It's also a plus to limit your post to what folks can see on SPY .
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    where should a citizens loyalty be?

    to federal law, or constitutional law?

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