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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    And anyone that disagrees with you must be changing meaning, right? What was your background, again?

    Get out of here with this silly nonsense, no one past grade school believes that kind of stuff: "If you don't share my opinion you're WRONG!!" I'm laughing at you.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Free Edward Snowden -- Really?



    Former CIA Director James Woolsey has pronounced that the proper punishment for National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden would be for him to be "hanged by his neck until he is dead."

    The news media want to hand him not a rope but a pedestal.

    Snowden has argued that he had a moral duty to challenge an intelligence machinery that was out of control. Hudson Institute senior fellow Gabriel Schoenfeld, author of "Necessary Secrets: National Security, the Media, and the Rule of Law," is not impressed. Snowden outed U.S. intelligence "for engaging in activity that almost every state engages in." The former contractor then went into hiding in China and Russia, where he enjoys temporary asylum. "I think it is disgraceful," quoth Schoenfeld, that Snowden lectures Washington but "doesn't have the courage to criticize abuses of free speech in his host country."

    To reach its "free Snowden" position, the Times quoted a federal judge who found the NSA program to be "almost Orwellian" while ignoring another federal judge who upheld the program's constitutionality. The Times also ignored testimony that "telephony metadata" prevented as many as 50 potential terrorist attacks, including a 2009 plot to blow up the New York subway.

    Former CIA spokesman Bill Harlow is not unfamiliar with that sneaking suspicion. He thinks Snowden is a "traitor." If the administration is toying with a deal, he said, it would send a catastrophic message to would-be leakers. To wit: "Just make sure you steal enough."

    It's almost funny when you follow the editorial boards' logic. The papers argued that Snowden is a hero because he leaked material about which the public has a right to know. Then they supported granting amnesty or leniency if Snowden would agree to hand over any remaining documents rather than share them with the world. A trial would give Snowden the opportunity to tell his story, the American public a chance to find out what exactly Snowden leaked and Washington the burden of proving a criminal case -- but the Times and The Guardian apparently prefer a backroom deal.....snip~

    Free Edward Snowden -- Really? - Debra J. Saunders - Page 2

    Both Turley and Hewitt write for Townhall.
    1-I was still talking about the NSA, not Snowden.

    2-Who cares if Turley and Hewitt write for Townhall? You do know what op-eds are, right? That article was written by Debra Saunders.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Unless you have any relevant points, YOU get out.
    hahahhahaha
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Hilariously, constitutional scholars seem to disagree with you.

    Snowden deserves a bullet to the head, frankly. Even if you think he should've shard the information about phone metadata, he still shared so much more- stuff about spying on other nations. Why are people cool with that? Why do they ignore that?
    First, they prosecute Clapper and McCullogh, and then let's discuss the persecution of Snowden. Clapper and McCullogh perjured themselves before our elected representatives and we're not even sure Snowden did anything criminal. If Justice is to be served, we should start at home, don't you think?

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    First, they prosecute Clapper and McCullogh, and then let's discuss the persecution of Snowden. Clapper and McCullogh perjured themselves before our elected representatives and we're not even sure Snowden did anything criminal. If Justice is to be served, we should start at home, don't you think?
    No, we should be starting with the guy who gave state secrets to the Chinese and Russians and basically everyone else on the planet.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    1-I was still talking about the NSA, not Snowden.

    2-Who cares if Turley and Hewitt write for Townhall? You do know what op-eds are, right? That article was written by Debra Saunders.
    How does this change the fact that they are Constitutional Attorneys.....and they both write for more than just Townhall. While appearing all across the country on television and radio? Speaking at Law Schools and in public venue too?

    You cannot talk about one without the other with this issue. Fact is most Constitutional Attorneys think Snowden is a traitor. Did he take an Oath?

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    How does this change the fact that they are Constitutional Attorneys.....and they both write for more than just Townhall. While appearing all across the country on television and radio? Speaking at Law Schools and in public venue too?

    You cannot talk about one without the other with this issue. Fact is most Constitutional Attorneys think Snowden is a traitor. Did he take an Oath?
    1-Let me get this straight. You post an article from Townhall by some lady. Then you state Hewitt and Turley write for Townhall. How the heck is this relevant to anything?

    2-You can talk about one without the other. And I need some sort of proof that most Constitutional Attorneys think Snowden is a traitor.

    The fact is, Snowden is not a traitor unless proven using the Constitutional procedure.

    A3, S3:

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    1-Let me get this straight. You post an article from Townhall by some lady. Then you state Hewitt and Turley write for Townhall. How the heck is this relevant to anything?

    2-You can talk about one without the other. And I need some sort of proof that most Constitutional Attorneys think Snowden is a traitor.

    The fact is, Snowden is not a traitor unless proven using the Constitutional procedure.

    A3, S3:


    Look lets make this simple instead.....of you talking ****. You got anything with Constitutional attorneys saying that Snowden didn't break the Law.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    And I need some sort of proof that most Constitutional Attorneys think Snowden is a traitor.
    But, of course, anyone that disagrees with you isn't a "true" constitutional scholar...

    It's a a fallacy called No True Scotsman, and it's embarrassing that a (seemingly) adult would engage in it. Laughable.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    No, we should be starting with the guy who gave state secrets to the Chinese and Russians and basically everyone else on the planet.
    You're right! He made it very clear that the USA citizens need to be protected against the NSA. They operate against the Constitution and their leaders perjure themselves to the Public at large that elect the Congressional inquisitors. That's who we need to be protected against. Thank you, Snowden.

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