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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Care to tell all the information they can gather from metadata. Keep in mind I know what it is.
    I highly doubt you actually do lol. Can you tell me what they can gather if they can't put a person with an account without a warrant?

    Also keep in mind I don't care one way or the other.
    Hahahaha and this is why no one serious (and no, Rand Paul isn't serious) is going to care about what you think: if you don't care at all about national defense, no one is going to consider anything that you have to say. It's really just that simple. So sit back and let the adults do what they do. You can complain here about it, on debatepolitics.com.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't agree we have been harmed.
    Because you don't know

    And I believe that Mrs. Merkel should be able to send an intimate text to her husband PRIVATELY.
    lol what? You just don't like intelligence agencies! And, much like Henrin, that's why no one is going to take you seriously. You don't think countries should be spying on each other. That's incredibly naive, ignorant, and utopian. Real decision makers and policy makers are never going to listen to people like you.

    US foreign policy creates enemies, if not for that, we shouldn't be worried about it. And, not all spying on countries is about security.
    It's a horrible shame that you know absolutely nothing about foreign policy or international relations. Read a book. Just one book, please.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I highly doubt you actually do lol. Can you tell me what they can gather if they can't put a person with an account without a warrant?
    I have no idea what you're trying to ask me since you jumbled up the wording of your question in such an elementarily stupid way. I did however notice you didn't provide me with any sort of information on metadata.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I have no idea what you're trying to ask me since you jumbled up the wording of your question in such an elementarily stupid way. I did however notice you didn't provide me with any sort of information on metadata.
    Are you mad or something? Lol read it again, it's pretty simple.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Very impressive.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Because you don't know



    lol what? You just don't like intelligence agencies! And, much like Henrin, that's why no one is going to take you seriously. You don't think countries should be spying on each other. That's incredibly naive, ignorant, and utopian. Real decision makers and policy makers are never going to listen to people like you.



    It's a horrible shame that you know absolutely nothing about foreign policy or international relations. Read a book. Just one book, please.
    You guys like to claim that Snowden harmed us, yet you can't articulate how. You just project the accusation because you don't like having been exposed.

    I don't think anybody on this board, now or ever will be influencing policy makers. Don't flatter yourself.

    Books are written by people espousing their opinions. Opinions that are influenced by ideology. In neither party is there any consensus on foreign policy goals. Experienced and educated people debate vigorously over this and the parties, well just look at the way the right treats Obama right here on this board, with regard to his foreign policy. Every bit of it. There's nothing in Obama's foreign policy they agree with. Who's right, and who's wrong? That depends on who your asking.

    There's great economists, qualified and educated. One follows the Keynesian model and one follows the Friedman. The two models are worlds apart, and yet they will both argue that theirs is right and the other is destructive. Who's right.


    I have no problem with intel or any other agencies that operate inside of US/constitutional law and international law. But the testimony of the Church committee to congress on the NSA has more importance to me than anything you could ever say.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You guys like to claim that Snowden harmed us, yet you can't articulate how.
    I articulated exactly how. I said that by sharing means and methods (details) of US intelligence operations, he harmed future ones. Because targets will adapt their means of communications and the US will be less knowledgeable and operate on less information. I know you enjoy being ignorant, but it actually is harmful to not know things. In the Monte world, it's good to be uninformed, I know. But thankfully, serious people don't share your belief on this matter.

    You just project the accusation because you don't like having been exposed.
    lol what?

    I don't think anybody on this board, now or ever will be influencing policy makers. Don't flatter yourself.
    lol I think you're absolutely wrong. Because you're unimportant, you think everyone else is? But no, not through this board.

    Books are written by people espousing their opinions. Opinions that are influenced by ideology. In neither party is there any consensus on foreign policy goals. Experienced and educated people debate vigorously over this and the parties, well just look at the way the right treats Obama right here on this board, with regard to his foreign policy. Every bit of it. There's nothing in Obama's foreign policy they agree with. Who's right, and who's wrong? That depends on who your asking.
    This is astoundingly ignorant.

    There's great economists, qualified and educated. One follows the Keynesian model and one follows the Friedman. The two models are worlds apart, and yet they will both argue that theirs is right and the other is destructive. Who's right.
    It depends on the circumstance.

    I have no problem with intel or any other agencies that operate inside of US/constitutional law and international law. But the testimony of the Church committee to congress on the NSA has more importance to me than anything you could ever say.
    Yes, you do have a problem with them, if you think it's wrong that intel organizations seek to know what heads of state are communicating about. You have absolutely no understanding of it, and that's why I'm happy no one important listens to you.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You guys like to claim that Snowden harmed us, yet you can't articulate how. You just project the accusation because you don't like having been exposed.

    I don't think anybody on this board, now or ever will be influencing policy makers. Don't flatter yourself.

    Books are written by people espousing their opinions. Opinions that are influenced by ideology. In neither party is there any consensus on foreign policy goals. Experienced and educated people debate vigorously over this and the parties, well just look at the way the right treats Obama right here on this board, with regard to his foreign policy. Every bit of it. There's nothing in Obama's foreign policy they agree with. Who's right, and who's wrong? That depends on who your asking.

    There's great economists, qualified and educated. One follows the Keynesian model and one follows the Friedman. The two models are worlds apart, and yet they will both argue that theirs is right and the other is destructive. Who's right.


    I have no problem with intel or any other agencies that operate inside of US/constitutional law and international law. But the testimony of the Church committee to congress on the NSA has more importance to me than anything you could ever say.
    Why are you quoting me in this post? I support what Snowden did.

    Or were you just referring to the other guy's post?

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Because you don't know



    lol what? You just don't like intelligence agencies! And, much like Henrin, that's why no one is going to take you seriously. You don't think countries should be spying on each other. That's incredibly naive, ignorant, and utopian. Real decision makers and policy makers are never going to listen to people like you.



    It's a horrible shame that you know absolutely nothing about foreign policy or international relations. Read a book. Just one book, please.
    You keep using words like 'never' and 'you know absolutely nothing about...'.

    It is not possible that you can know what 'ever' holds. And you cannot possibly know what anyone does or does not know.

    So to make statements like this not only does not further your cause...it makes you look - IMO - uninformed and somewhat desperate.

    Advice...stick to what you know and not to what you cannot possibly know.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    You keep using words like 'never' and 'you know absolutely nothing about...'.

    It is not possible that you can know what 'ever' holds. And you cannot possibly know what anyone does or does not know.

    So to make statements like this not only does not further your cause...it makes you look - IMO - uninformed and somewhat desperate.

    Advice...stick to what you know and not to what you cannot possibly know.
    Okay, since I have approximately 15 years working in military intelligence and intelligence, I'll stick to this topic. Are you gonna stick around, too? Or are you going to have to leave, because...this isn't what you know. That's kinda obvious.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Okay, since I have approximately 15 years working in military intelligence and intelligence, I'll stick to this topic. Are you gonna stick around, too? Or are you going to have to leave, because...this isn't what you know. That's kinda obvious.
    - right over your head -

    Whatever pal...I tried.

    Good day.

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