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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The difference between a criminal and one who is not might be whether one follows the law in regards to handling issues with classified documents. If he had issue with the contents of those documents, there is a procedure to follow that would not make him a criminal. He chose instead to be one.
    No there wasn't. Daniel Ellsberg sought out a way and he failed too. However, he had a great deal of liberal and Democratic support.

    There also is the bizarre nature of the NYT could print what they knew was classified and claim immunity of the press (when there is no immunity to reporters concerning classified information), while pursuing Snowden. Snowden didn't publicize the material, the press did.

    Moreover, since they way Snowden released it was to "report" it to the newspaper, putting him into the role of a "reporter." The government now doesn't go after the newspaper because that is a hell of a battle, so instead they just go after him because he's a little guy.

    Finally, if he had exposed unconstitutional actions by the government he not only had NOT broken the law, he had complied with the law as I am confident he had taken an oath to
    "protect and defend that Constitution." He took no oath to protect and defend the NSA. Also, statutory law is inferior to constitutional law. In a showdown between the Constitution and a statutory law, the Constitution always wins under rule of law.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

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    'Former Congressman Ron Paul has launched a petition to attempt to garner clemency for NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. The "Demand Clemency for Edward Snowden" petition includes the clip below, Paul calls on supporters to sign the petition in an attempt to bring Snowden home to the US safely before his temporary visa in Russia expires in July.

    On the heels of his son Rand Paul's lawsuit against the Obama nd the NSA seeking to stop its collection of phone metadata, Ron Paul states "Edward Snowden shocked the world when he exposed the NSA’s illegal and abusive spying program. Instead of applauding him for his bravery and patriotism, the U.S. government labels Snowden a traitor."

    By signing this petition, Paul notes on his Channel's website, "you are telling the US government that Mr. Snowden deserves the right to come home without the fear of persecution or imprisonment."'

    Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden | Zero Hedge
    Good because Snowden informed and confirmed to us all that our government has become an authoritarian Orwellian police state.... I think that is information any informed US citizen would like to know about..

    The man is a patriot.....

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

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    No there wasn't. Daniel Ellsberg sought out a way and he failed too. However, he had a great deal of liberal and Democratic support.

    There also is the bizarre nature of the NYT could print what they knew was classified and claim immunity of the press (when there is no immunity to reporters concerning classified information), while pursuing Snowden. Snowden didn't publicize the material, the press did.

    Moreover, since they way Snowden released it was to "report" it to the newspaper, putting him into the role of a "reporter." The government now doesn't go after the newspaper because that is a hell of a battle, so instead they just go after him because he's a little guy.

    Finally, if he had exposed unconstitutional actions by the government he not only had NOT broken the law, he had complied with the law as I am confident he had taken an oath to
    "protect and defend that Constitution." He took no oath to protect and defend the NSA. Also, statutory law is inferior to constitutional law. In a showdown between the Constitution and a statutory law, the Constitution always wins under rule of law.
    Very nice!!
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    When the United States is committing treason against it's own citizens in direct violation of the Bill of Rights it IS a true patriots duty to inform the general public that our government is committing treason - and that doesn't make the messenger a tyrant either.

    Manning is a different situation - he was the progressives wet dream - he exposed alleged "war crimes" which may or may have not been true, but the truth is progressives only give a **** when the US allegedly commits war crimes against another nation (which I don't agree with at all) but the second a patriot exposes the US government of committing treason against their own citizens they label him (Snowden) a tyrant...

    It really goes to show the progressive mindset and how much they value their freedom.... They would rather live in Maoismville rather than have a free US - because they would love an authoritarian dictatorship here in the US -- just on THEIR terms.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No there wasn't. Daniel Ellsberg sought out a way and he failed too. However, he had a great deal of liberal and Democratic support.

    There also is the bizarre nature of the NYT could print what they knew was classified and claim immunity of the press (when there is no immunity to reporters concerning classified information), while pursuing Snowden. Snowden didn't publicize the material, the press did.

    Moreover, since they way Snowden released it was to "report" it to the newspaper, putting him into the role of a "reporter." The government now doesn't go after the newspaper because that is a hell of a battle, so instead they just go after him because he's a little guy.

    Finally, if he had exposed unconstitutional actions by the government he not only had NOT broken the law, he had complied with the law as I am confident he had taken an oath to
    "protect and defend that Constitution." He took no oath to protect and defend the NSA. Also, statutory law is inferior to constitutional law. In a showdown between the Constitution and a statutory law, the Constitution always wins under rule of law.
    OK, this is going to be really complex and hard to understand, but try and stay with me...the laws have changed since 1971. *GASP* Who would have thought that would happen...
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    OK, this is going to be really complex and hard to understand, but try and stay with me...the laws have changed since 1971. *GASP* Who would have thought that would happen...
    Well the constitution hasn't!! From the district court judge Leon,

    "[T]he almost-Orwellian technology that enables the Government to store and analyze the phone metadata of every telephone user in the United States is unlike anything that could have been conceived in 1979," Leon exclaimed, calling it "the stuff of science fiction." He cited Justice Scalia's opinion in Kyllo v. United States, which held the use of a thermal imaging device, that measures heat waste emanating from a house, constitutes a "search." Justice Scalia was concerned about increasing invasions of privacy occasioned by developing technology.

    Leon wrote, "I cannot imagine a more 'indiscriminate' and 'arbitrary invasion' than this systematic and high-tech collection and retention of personal data on virtually every single citizen for purposes of querying and analyzing it without prior judicial approval."

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Good because Snowden informed and confirmed to us all that our government has become an authoritarian Orwellian police state.... I think that is information any informed US citizen would like to know about..

    The man is a patriot.....
    So manning is a traitor according to conservaties, snowden is a patriot according to you.

    Glad we know where YOU stand.

    I'll say Manning AND Snowden are traitors.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No there wasn't. Daniel Ellsberg sought out a way and he failed too. However, he had a great deal of liberal and Democratic support.

    There also is the bizarre nature of the NYT could print what they knew was classified and claim immunity of the press (when there is no immunity to reporters concerning classified information), while pursuing Snowden. Snowden didn't publicize the material, the press did.

    Moreover, since they way Snowden released it was to "report" it to the newspaper, putting him into the role of a "reporter." The government now doesn't go after the newspaper because that is a hell of a battle, so instead they just go after him because he's a little guy.

    Finally, if he had exposed unconstitutional actions by the government he not only had NOT broken the law, he had complied with the law as I am confident he had taken an oath to
    "protect and defend that Constitution." He took no oath to protect and defend the NSA. Also, statutory law is inferior to constitutional law. In a showdown between the Constitution and a statutory law, the Constitution always wins under rule of law.
    Very impressive.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So manning is a traitor according to conservaties, snowden is a patriot according to you.

    Glad we know where YOU stand.

    I'll say Manning AND Snowden are traitors.
    I thought Nick said Snowden is a patriot!
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I thought Nick said Snowden is a patriot!
    Yes he did. I did edit my quote, maybe you got there before that.

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