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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Think that through.


    Jokes on you.
    The NSA has done nothing, nada, zip, zero to improve your safety or security. It is a troubling and problematic institution that Mr. Church NAILED in 1976!
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So basically Americans are saying two wrongs don't make a right. I'm cool with that BUT!!! Only because there was/is no avenue for reporting wrong doing on the government. And Obama, had on his 08 platform, improving protections for whistle blowers while in all actuality hasn't just failed to provide it, he has prosecuted more of them than any of his predecessors. And I want to point out that while Americans don't approve of committing a crime to expose a crime, your source points out that 58% still disapprove of the NSA's crime!! And the only reason that's not 100% is that we have pussies that are willing to trade their liberties for security, never mind that the NSA has secured NOTHING!!


    Well Monte.....I am in agreement with what Ran Paul said over the issue.


    I’m not against the NSA, I’m not against spying, I’m not against looking at phone records,” he said at a press conference outside the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia Wednesday morning. “I just want you to go to a judge, have a person’s name and individualize the warrant.”.....snip~


    That's my take on it.....and witnesses in front of that Judge.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The NSA has done nothing, nada, zip, zero to improve your safety or security. It is a troubling and problematic institution that Mr. Church NAILED in 1976!
    lol WHAT? How would you even know this? loool
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well Monte.....I am in agreement with what Ran Paul said over the issue.


    I’m not against the NSA, I’m not against spying, I’m not against looking at phone records,” he said at a press conference outside the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia Wednesday morning. “I just want you to go to a judge, have a person’s name and individualize the warrant.”.....snip~


    That's my take on it.....and witnesses in front of that Judge.
    But we don't even have that. That view is also consistent with Snowden's.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol WHAT? How would you even know this? loool
    I'm sure you'd like to know that.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm sure you'd like to know that.
    hahahahhahahaha
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol then no wonder you said:



    You just don't care! hahahahahahaha

    No wonder you're so afraid of the NSA, you don't care about anything it does unless it's collect your phone's metadata.

    How about this: don't say that you're "not satisfied he's harmed anything" when it's clear you just don't care about the things he has indeed harmed. Christ, talk about living in fear. You're so scared of the NSA.
    I just place a higher value on my liberty than some. And! The NSA, by their own admission, have done nothing to secure my safety. And I accept senator Church's assessment of the NSA.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But we don't even have that. That view is also consistent with Snowden's.


    .....


    What is the FISA court?

    It may be the most powerful court you have never heard of -- operating out of a bunker-like complex blocks from the Capitol and the White House -- sealed tightly to prevent eavesdropping.

    Its a tribunal that is secret (or supposed to be). Its structure is largely one-sided and its members are unilaterally chosen by one unelected person.

    The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court -- or FISA Court for short -- is a panel that critics contend rubber-stamps nearly every National Security Agency request to snoop that it receives.

    Court officials, naturally, object to that characterization. But concerns remain that without reforms, like President Barack Obama's call for an independent "privacy advocate" to monitor its actions, civil liberties might be at risk.

    Who's on the court?

    The court is housed in a room in a windowless and secure area of the U.S. District Court on Constitution Avenue. Government sources say it's a courtroom with a judge's bench, tables for lawyers, and support staff. Officials won't divulge its exact location in the building.

    The court is made up of 11 judges who sit for seven-year terms. All are federal district judges who agree to take on the additional duties on a rotating basis. They are appointed by Chief Justice John Roberts, without any supplemental confirmation from the other two branches of government. Roberts has named every member of the current court, as well as a separate three-judge panel to hear appeals known as the Court of Review.

    How does the surveillance court work?

    The FISA Court's larger mission is to decide whether to grant certain types of government requests-- wiretapping, data analysis, and other monitoring for "foreign intelligence purposes" of suspected terrorists and spies operating in the United States.

    There were 1,856 applications in 2012 to the FISA Court for electronic surveillance and physical searches for "foreign intelligence purposes," the Justice Department said.

    None were denied, but 40 were modified to some extent. Only one such request was withdrawn by the FBI.....snip~

    What is the FISA court? - CNN.com

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by MACS-24 View Post
    My vote is for constitutional law.
    Right. But there are people arguing on this thread in support for NSA that are or were employees of the NSA. Some of which consider the constitution an impediment to them being able to do their job.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I just place a higher value on my liberty than some. And! The NSA, by their own admission, have done nothing to secure my safety. And I accept senator Church's assessment of the NSA.
    No, that's not by admission, I'm sorry. Are you ready to admit he did indeed harm things, whether you "care" about them or not?
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