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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Ahhh, utopianism. That's cute.
    Not really. I mean, yes, at some point, 1,000 years from now, providing we don't extinct ourselves...

    But over the very real short term...100 years or so, peace through familiarity and understanding thanks to unprecedented communication and connectivity? A perfectly reasonable expectation, IMO. The only thing in our way are cultures mired in old ways of thinking, tradition, antiquated mind sets, stuborness, etc.

    Power is being stripped from groups and given to individuals. Just look at Snowden, lol.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Not really. I mean, yes, at some point, 1,000 years from now, providing we don't extinct ourselves...

    But over the very real short term...100 years or so, peace through familiarity and understanding thanks to unprecedented communication and connectivity? A perfectly reasonable expectation, IMO. The only thing in our way are cultures mired in old ways of thinking, tradition, antiquated mind sets, stuborness, etc.

    Power is being stripped from groups and given to individuals. Just look at Snowden, lol.
    That's...the definition of utopianism.

    lol
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Here is the latest Poll I found.....the Majority thinks he should be brought back to stand trial for his crimes. Which I would disagree with. Why? What for? Why waste money and all that time and appealing and always being up in the news. He is a traitor to the Country. Pop 2 caps into the back of his head and leave him laying wherever. If in Russia.....so be it. At least he goes out knowing We cared enough to Reach out and touch him.


    Poll: Most think Edward Snowden should stand trial in U.S
    Jan 23, 2014 <<<<<!



    Most Americans - 61 percent - think Snowden should have to stand trial in the United States for his actions. Far fewer - 23 percent - think he should be granted amnesty. Republicans, Democrats, and independents all agree on this as well.

    Meanwhile, 31 percent approve of Snowden's actions, while most, 54 percent, disapprove. Majorities of Republicans, Democrats, and independents disapprove.Americans are divided as to the impact on the country from making the NSA program public. While 40 percent think the disclosure has been good for the country, 46 percent think it has been bad.

    When asked to come up with a word that describes Edward Snowden, nearly a quarter volunteer either traitor or a similar word that questions his loyalty to his country, while 8 percent say he is "brave" or "courageous" or "a hero". Just 2 percent volunteered that he is a patriot or patriotic, and another 2 percent say "terrorist".[/B]

    Fifty-eight percent of Americans disapprove of federal government agencies collecting the phone records of average Americans, the same percentage as in June, when the secret NSA surveillance program was disclosed.

    It has been revealed that the NSA listened to phone calls made by some foreign leaders who are allies of the U.S. Fifty percent think this is acceptable, while 44 percent do not.




    Overall, 41 percent of Americans think the government has gone too far in infringing on people's privacy in its efforts to fight terrorism, while 43 percent think the balance is about right, [B]and 12 percent think the government has not gone far enough
    .....snip~

    Poll: Most think Edward Snowden should stand trial in U.S. | wtsp.com
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    That's...the definition of utopianism.

    lol
    Yeah, I guess it is, isn't it?

    I still think there will be problems. Poverty, hunger, etc.


    Just nothing we'll go to war over. It's hard to engage in wholesale slaughter of people who liked one of your Facebook posts, as a citizenry.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Yeah, I guess it is, isn't it?

    I still think there will be problems. Poverty, hunger, etc.


    Just nothing we'll go to war over. It's hard to engage in wholesale slaughter of people who liked one of your Facebook posts, as a citizenry.
    Okay, that's fantastic. In the mean time, nations will still engage in intelligence operations.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Okay, that's fantastic. In the mean time, nations will still engage in intelligence operations.
    And as evidenced by the PUBLIC outrage over it, the bulk of nations citizenry disagree with it.

    And in a democracy...especially one with brave men and women willing to become martyrs to expose secrets and lies...the folks who pertuate these actions and mind sets will more and more come under scrutiny and eventually unemployment.


    Times are changing, Old World Order, believe it or not, like it or not.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And as evidenced by the PUBLIC outrage over it, the bulk of nations citizenry disagree with it.

    And in a democracy...especially one with brave men and women willing to become martyrs to expose secrets and lies...the folks who pertuate these actions and mind sets will more and more come under scrutiny and eventually unemployment.


    Times are changing, Old World Order, believe it or not, like it or not.
    lol okay. Let's close up all the intelligence agencies in the world and just smile!
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol okay. Let's close up all the intelligence agencies in the world and just smile!
    Think that through.


    Jokes on you.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Think that through.


    Jokes on you.
    I'm sure. lol
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Here is the latest Poll I found.....the Majority thinks he should be brought back to stand trial for his crimes. Which I would disagree with. Why? What for? Why waste money and all that time and appealing and always being up in the news. He is a traitor to the Country. Pop 2 caps into the back of his head and leave him laying wherever. If in Russia.....so be it. At least he goes out knowing We cared enough to Reach out and touch him.


    Poll: Most think Edward Snowden should stand trial in U.S
    Jan 23, 2014 <<<<<!



    Most Americans - 61 percent - think Snowden should have to stand trial in the United States for his actions. Far fewer - 23 percent - think he should be granted amnesty. Republicans, Democrats, and independents all agree on this as well.

    Meanwhile, 31 percent approve of Snowden's actions, while most, 54 percent, disapprove. Majorities of Republicans, Democrats, and independents disapprove.Americans are divided as to the impact on the country from making the NSA program public. While 40 percent think the disclosure has been good for the country, 46 percent think it has been bad.

    When asked to come up with a word that describes Edward Snowden, nearly a quarter volunteer either traitor or a similar word that questions his loyalty to his country, while 8 percent say he is "brave" or "courageous" or "a hero". Just 2 percent volunteered that he is a patriot or patriotic, and another 2 percent say "terrorist".[/B]

    Fifty-eight percent of Americans disapprove of federal government agencies collecting the phone records of average Americans, the same percentage as in June, when the secret NSA surveillance program was disclosed.

    It has been revealed that the NSA listened to phone calls made by some foreign leaders who are allies of the U.S. Fifty percent think this is acceptable, while 44 percent do not.




    Overall, 41 percent of Americans think the government has gone too far in infringing on people's privacy in its efforts to fight terrorism, while 43 percent think the balance is about right, [B]and 12 percent think the government has not gone far enough
    .....snip~

    Poll: Most think Edward Snowden should stand trial in U.S. | wtsp.com
    So basically Americans are saying two wrongs don't make a right. I'm cool with that BUT!!! Only because there was/is no avenue for reporting wrong doing on the government. And Obama, had on his 08 platform, improving protections for whistle blowers while in all actuality hasn't just failed to provide it, he has prosecuted more of them than any of his predecessors. And I want to point out that while Americans don't approve of committing a crime to expose a crime, your source points out that 58% still disapprove of the NSA's crime!! And the only reason that's not 100% is that we have pussies that are willing to trade their liberties for security, never mind that the NSA has secured NOTHING!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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