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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'he·ro noun \ˈhir-(ˌ)ō\
    : a person who is admired for great or brave acts or fine qualities

    : a person who is greatly admired'


    Hero - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


    As many people greatly admire him, then by definition, Snowden IS a hero.
    Traitor also fits. Admiring a traitor is not a good thing
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Snowden is no hero.
    Other than my typo, I really offered 2 POVs.

    " If you think that being watched is necessary for your safety, then Snowden was a bad man. If you think that the NSA and other agencies should respect the 4th amendment and the other constitutional protections, then Snowden is a hero."

    Personally, I think he's a self-sacrificing idiot rather than either a hero or a bad guy.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Other than my typo, I really offered 2 POVs.

    " If you think that being watched is necessary for your safety, then Snowden was a bad man. If you think that the NSA and other agencies should respect the 4th amendment and the other constitutional protections, then Snowden is a hero."

    Personally, I think he's a self-sacrificing idiot rather than either a hero or a bad guy.

    You are justifying the means to the ends. He badly damaged the reputation of the country, he stole secrets, he fled to two of our enemies (and yes, Russia and China don't like us). While I am in agreement the NSA stuff is bad... Two wrongs don't make a right. Think about this, he left the USA because the "Government is spying!" and he landed in China and Russia...

    The irony there is palpable.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    He badly damaged the reputation of the country
    It deserved to have its reputation damaged for what it was doing.

    he stole secrets
    That shouldn't have been secrets, and what did he do with them, he let the public know about them. It was our job, our duty as citizens of the US to get outraged and throw the bums out for this.

    he fled to two of our enemies
    Ehh. We're not at war or something even close to it with either China or Russia. If he stayed here Obama would have thrown him in prison for telling us the awful things Obama has been doing.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    That shouldn't have been secrets
    Well yes, it should've but let's ignore the metadata storage: intelligence collection operations against Germany, Mexico, and China shouldn't have secret? lol Do you think intelligence agencies should exist at all?
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yeah, it is the one I thought. Let me quote with some highlighting:







    So some one whose opinion kinda matters, as opposed to Joe Blow on some news program(or random internet poster), actually was far from certain on the constitutional issues.

    Note that this ruling came in December, not yesterday, and was far from, as you put it:
    This deserves to be repeated. Not only do some people have a hard time separating their opinions from facts, they have a hard time even accurately sharing other people's opinions. I don't know why Monte felt like he needed to lie/exaggerate, but I can take a guess...
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Well yes, it should've but let's ignore the metadata storage: intelligence collection operations against Germany, Mexico, and China shouldn't have secret? lol Do you think intelligence agencies should exist at all?
    You're on the wrong side of history, I'm afraid.

    Espionage is an act of war. We spied on our allies. This is generally the act of a distrustful, and distrusting agent. And god only knows how much we were spending to do so.


    Always amazes me how stridently the so called small gov types defend the apparatus utilized to enable "big brother".
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    You're on the wrong side of history, I'm afraid.

    Espionage is an act of war. We spied on our allies. This is generally the act of a distrustful, and distrusting agent. And god only knows how much we were spending to do so.


    Always amazes me how stridently the so called small gov types defend the apparatus utilized to enable "big brother".
    lol everyone spies on each other, dude. You're on the wrong side of history.

    But the question at hand is how Snowden apologists explain him sharing details on US intelligence operations against other countries. So far we've had one person weigh in and say he "didn't care". lol
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol everyone spies on each other, dude. You're on the wrong side of history.

    But the question at hand is how Snowden apologists explain him sharing details on US intelligence operations against other countries. So far we've had one person weigh in and say he "didn't care". lol

    So says the person self named "Old World Order", lol.

    The era of distrust is coming to a close. The internet is bridging the gaps between the citizens of the countries of the world. Our governments are still mired in old ways, but that's changing. Is it any surprise the whistle blower happens to be young?

    We talk about these countries as if they are enemies. Why? China is good enough for us to export our labor to, our money, our debt, but not a modicum of trust?

    That era is coming to a close, and the more we cling to an old way of operating, the more we will become isolated, alone, and in general, left behind.

    Snowden slapped the wrist of a giant reaching it's paw into the cookie jar. That is not without repercussions. But I'll certainly not vilify him for it, and call for a bullit to his head. Why?

    Because I don't believe in tyranny.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    So says the person self named "Old World Order", lol.

    The era of distrust is coming to a close. The internet is bridging the gaps between the citizens of the countries of the world. Our governments are still mired in old ways, but that's changing. Is it any surprise the whistle blower happens to be young?

    We talk about these countries as if they are enemies. Why? China is good enough for us to export our labor to, our money, our debt, but not a modicum of trust?

    That era is coming to a close, and the more we cling to an old way of operating, the more we will become isolated, alone, and in general, left behind.

    Snowden slapped the wrist of a giant reaching it's paw into the cookie jar. That is not without repercussions. But I'll certainly not vilify him for it, and call for a bullit to his head. Why?

    Because I don't believe in tyranny.
    Ahhh, utopianism. That's cute.
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