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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The, I'm not scared world.
    You seem to be very scared of the NSA.

    You also seem to not understand that he did indeed harm intelligence collection against those countries (and more) by sharing details of those operations with the world. What does that have to do with fear? It did. Like...that's really not arguable. lol
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You might want to go back and read the post I responded to. I did not comment on Turley, as I could really care less what he said.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    You seem to be very scared of the NSA.

    You also seem to not understand that he did indeed harm intelligence collection against those countries (and more) by sharing details of those operations with the world. What does that have to do with fear? It did. Like...that's really not arguable. lol
    I'm not concerned about that. I don't concern myself with Germany. I do however concern myself with my fourth amendment right, its personal and your opinion on it is irrelevant. When the people fear the government, there's tyranny, when the government fears the people there's peace.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm not concerned about that.
    lol then no wonder you said:

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    Hey bud, I'm not satisfied that he's harmed anything.
    You just don't care! hahahahahahaha

    No wonder you're so afraid of the NSA, you don't care about anything it does unless it's collect your phone's metadata.

    How about this: don't say that you're "not satisfied he's harmed anything" when it's clear you just don't care about the things he has indeed harmed. Christ, talk about living in fear. You're so scared of the NSA.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    where should a citizens loyalty be?

    to federal law, or constitutional law?
    My vote is for constitutional law.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Hey bud, I'm not satisfied that he's harmed anything. Embarrassed, perhaps. For me, Snowden is a whistle blower and the benefit outweighs the cost. I've had a problem with the NSA since the Church committees findings.
    I would still have to go back to the point are our people worse off now than they were before with risk? Mover if you have read all I have laid out. Then you can see why I would go with him being the traitor.

    As I noted.....all he needed to validate to the press was that they had such a program. There was no need concerning anything else. Which again leaves him making moves wherein other countries have benefitted from what he knows.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, it is the one I thought. Let me quote with some highlighting:

    A federal judge ruled Monday that the National Security Agency’s gathering of data on all telephone calls made in the United States appears to violate the Constitution’s protection against unreasonable searches.
    The judge found that the two were likely to prevail under the Fourth Amendment, the Constitution’s protection against unreasonable search and seizure.
    Leon said that the government was acting in an “understandable zeal to protect our homeland,” and acknowledged that there were national security interests and new constitutional issues in play.
    So some one whose opinion kinda matters, as opposed to Joe Blow on some news program(or random internet poster), actually was far from certain on the constitutional issues.

    Note that this ruling came in December, not yesterday, and was far from, as you put it:

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    U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon has handed down a blockbuster decision this afternoon finding that the massive National Security Agency surveillance program is unconstitutional.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Without Snowden, the NSA would have continued increasing their surveillance of everyone and everything. If you think that being watched is necessary for your safety, then Snowden was a bad an. If you think that the NSA and other agencies should respect the 4th amendment and the other constitutional protections, then Snowden is a hero.

    I think most people would rather be safe than be private. After all, only a bad person would care about being watched. Good people commit no crimes so their life should be an open book.

    Do you realize that if the police could search everyone's home from time to time, you would virtually eliminate all crime and terrorism. Who would dare operate a meth lab or a bomb factory if they could be searched at any time? What do you ever write in your letters that you would care if it was read for the greater good of the nation?
    Snowden is no hero.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Snowden is no hero.
    'he·ro noun \ˈhir-(ˌ)ō\
    : a person who is admired for great or brave acts or fine qualities

    : a person who is greatly admired'


    Hero - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


    As many people greatly admire him, then by definition, Snowden IS a hero.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Snowden is an all-American patriot, unlike that halfrican we have in office.
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