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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm sure you realize how stupid your idea is. Reporting government misconduct to the government has no effect what so ever. They won't care, they won't change their behavior, and no one will find out about it. Usually when people want to cause change it's a good idea to avoid actions that are entirely useless towards those ends.
    And why do you keep acting like the government isn't made up of hundreds of thousands of US citizens? It's not us vs them, they ARE us.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    And why do you keep acting like the government isn't made up of hundreds of thousands of US citizens? It's not us vs them, they ARE us.
    Why do you not understand power structures?

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    "Traitor or Hero" -don't think he qualifies for either, in that he has some aspects of both. He stole classified data - does that make him a traitor? did he release it in full to Russia?

    If so -is there any permanent harm done?
    He's not a particular hero either, though he did give up a cushy high paying job, and is living in exile ( under penalty of prosecution if he returns).

    He is some of each, but I don't think he really qualifies to be labeled either term. Just my opinion.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why do you not understand power structures?
    Hahaha
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Hahaha
    What organization holds power and authority over the population? The government perhaps?

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What organization holds power and authority over the population? The government perhaps?
    Is this your expert analysis? The government is made up of people. It's not assume group of overlords that is busy repressing you. The more you come to understand that, the more silly and shrill your complaints appear.

    Anyway YOU think their actions are unconstitutional. That's your opinion. That doesn't make it fact.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Is this your expert analysis? The government is made up of people. It's not assume group of overlords that is busy repressing you. The more you come to understand that, the more silly and shrill your complaints appear.
    Who makes the rules of that we all must follow? Who has the domain of force? The government. The sooner you realize they are not your friend, the sooner you will stop treating them as such.

    Anyway YOU think their actions are unconstitutional. That's your opinion. That doesn't make it fact.
    ...and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause ... and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. I'm guessing I missed the warrant this afternoon when I logged onto Debate Politics.

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    They are also the ones we the people chose to empower to make certain decisions. No one, period, empowered Snowden to decide for the whole ****ing country what should and should not be classified. We have laws. There are reasons for those laws. Usually good reasons, as is the case of the Espionage Act.
    Ok, so no matter how horrible of a thing the government does, all of the government workers should shut their mouths. People in power can do whatever they want, and it's none of the American people's business what they do.

    You're rare. Most people don't flat out condemn all whistleblowing, no matter what the issue. I don't think there's much of a reason to debate with someone who has such an extreme position.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Who makes the rules of that we all must follow? Who has the domain of force? The government.
    The people that work in government, directed by the people that you vote on.

    The sooner you realize they are not your friend, the sooner you will stop treating them as such.
    lol wtf. Wait correct me if I'm wrong: you see the US government as an enemy to you and the perhaps even "the people" of the United States?

    ...and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause ... and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. I'm guessing I missed the warrant this afternoon when I logged onto Debate Politics.

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
    Right, and in your opinion metadata storage violates that. That's your opinion. I honestly laugh hard as **** when people can't figure out that just because they have an opinion doesn't mean it's a fact. Very entertaining.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    The people that work in government, directed by the people that you vote on.
    Which are the ruling class for the very reason they work for the government and have power over the people.


    lol wtf. Wait correct me if I'm wrong: you see the US government as an enemy to you and the perhaps even "the people" of the United States?
    Have they somehow proven to be the peoples friends at some point in history? I must have missed that part in history. Can you tell me about it? Maybe you can refer me to a book on that time period.

    Right, and in your opinion metadata storage violates that. That's your opinion. I honestly laugh hard as **** when people can't figure out that just because they have an opinion doesn't mean it's a fact. Very entertaining.
    Nope, if you can understand the english language it's rather obvious.

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