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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Obviously if you go to the government to report on government misconduct they will care.
    That is the system we have in this country. We even have methods to change the system if you don't like it. Good luck with that.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is the system we have in this country. We even have methods to change the system if you don't like it. Good luck with that.
    Does that somehow change how nonsensical it is? The government is violating the Constitution. I know, lets go to the government to report on it! That is like a kid being picked on reporting it to the bully.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Does that somehow change how nonsensical it is? The government is violating the Constitution. I know, lets go to the government to report on it! That is like a kid being picked on reporting it to the bully.
    We do not allow random Joe Blow to decide what is constitutional or not in this country, just as we do not allow random Joe Blow to decide what should and should not be classified. Those are examples of things in place for a very good reason.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' HD. No.....I don't and I never have. But I pretty much stand with what the majority in the Military stands on. You didn't think because one who leads and agrees with the majority that makes them a follow amongst other leaders now did you?

    Also since he has continued on and think he can improve the NSA and that he thinks he is still working for him. Doesn't help his case any.

    Which says nothing about him screwing his buddy over and destroying that guys life and livelihood.
    Yes, leadership is a good thing, and there will always be followers, rule of nature.

    And so good leadership is also moral, always moral?

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is the system we have in this country. We even have methods to change the system if you don't like it. Good luck with that.
    Good luck indeed.

    The system loves the way it is, and everybody else can kiss its ass.

    Only a fool believes that the individual citizen, or even groups of thousands, can control in any way the actions of government. In reality, not in theory.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You do not understand the difference between political gain and personal gain? Really?
    I didn't say that I don't, you concluded I don't, for some reason. I don't see where Snowden gained anything at all, political or otherwise, so I asked my question. If you don't have an answer, that is fine.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We do not allow random Joe Blow to decide what is constitutional or not in this country, just as we do not allow random Joe Blow to decide what should and should not be classified. Those are examples of things in place for a very good reason.
    No, we allow nine people that are part of government to decide on what is constitutional for government to do. That system makes sense. I hear it has worked out real well and government control hasn't exploded. Good thing, I was worried that idea was idiotic.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Anybody who intentionally changes the meaning of the words of the Constitution is inherently dishonest and not a true scholar.
    it's the outcome from the Unitary POTUS.
    Congress hasn't any real interest in checking executive power - the Senate and House Intelligence Committees members campaign funds benefit from "intelligence contractors"

    Intelligence contractors donate millions to intelligence watchdogs in Congress | Center for Public Integrity
    Most intelligence-related spending by the U.S. government is subject to independent scrutiny and monitoring by a small number of people — primarily, the 40 lawmakers assigned to the House and Senate intelligence committees, plus the roughly 100-member staffs of those two committees.
    The lawmakers are meant to provide a key check on waste, fraud, abuse, and potential illegalities, since intelligence-related spending and activities are ordinarily well outside the public’s view.

    According to a new report, however, every single one of those lawmakers has received campaign funds from twenty of the largest contractors providing intelligence services to the Defense Department, which accounted for a signficant portion of the nation’s overall $75.4 billion intelligence budget in 2012.
    Every lawmaker on intel committees received money from top intel companies - Columbia Independent | Examiner.com

    add in the desire to be "safe" at any cost to personal liberty, or the Constitution itself ( even though any real threat blocks are yet to be demonstrated) +
    the general overreach of the executive branch = winds up with a recipe for a "general warrant" - prohibited under the 4th
    Fourth Amendment legal definition of Fourth Amendment. Fourth Amendment synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We do not allow random Joe Blow to decide what is constitutional or not in this country, just as we do not allow random Joe Blow to decide what should and should not be classified. Those are examples of things in place for a very good reason.
    I'm sure you realize how stupid your idea is. Reporting government misconduct to the government has no effect what so ever. They won't care, they won't change their behavior, and no one will find out about it. Usually when people want to cause change it's a good idea to avoid actions that are entirely useless towards those ends.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Does that somehow change how nonsensical it is? The government is violating the Constitution. I know, lets go to the government to report on it! That is like a kid being picked on reporting it to the bully.
    Hahaha! In your opinion it is. That doesn't make it a fact, and a great many constitutional scholars, to include federal judges, disagree with you.

    It's like some of you are physically unable to understand that your opinion didn't necessarily equal a fact.
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