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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

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    As I stated before, when you answer my question I'll answer yours.

    Isn't it kind of pathetic I've had to ask you 3 times and you still won't answer?

    Now you know I wouldn't avoid your question my friend.....which I thought you had what I stated. Not to mention I have talked about how he could have done something while still getting the same results. Without trying to avoid prosecution of laws he knows he broke deliberately.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

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    So you would like to see the NSA prosecuted.
    It would be hard to "prosecute the NSA" without prosecuting the CIC. So, short answer? Hell no the Libbos don't want to prosecute the NSA.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Anyone have a current Poll on who thinks he is Traitor or Hero? What is the majority saying now?

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is where the discussion always gets stupid. Both can be crimes, and one does not mitigate the other.
    The discussion always gets stupid here because one IS a crime and the other is just something that some people think SHOULD BE a crime.

    And it's usually people that know nothing about national defense or intelligence work in general, to say nothing of signals intelligence in particular.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    The discussion always gets stupid here because one IS a crime and the other is just something that some people think SHOULD BE a crime.

    And it's usually people that know nothing about national defense or intelligence work in general, to say nothing of signals intelligence in particular.
    You are correct. To the best of my knowledge NSA follows the law, but the law may be unconstitutional. Either way, what NSA does does not mitigate what Snowden did, which is, was, and always will be espionage. People get so caught up in labels and NSA that they seem to lose sight of this. Espionage should never be excused.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Anyone have a current Poll on who thinks he is Traitor or Hero? What is the majority saying now?
    Greetings, MMC.

    I read something recently, can't remember where, that most people think he is a hero, because he pulled the curtain back to show people the dark ugly side of what is going on, that they would not know otherwise. Was it the right thing to do? I don't know, but you can bet most officials don't like having secrets revealed any more than the rest of us do...hence the outraged clamor!

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    To those whom he worked with.....and to his Country.
    No, he was NOT a traitor to his country.

    He exposed, big time, the crimes committed by the government of his country. His country and its government are 2 separate entities, and always have been.

    Certain propagandists have long worked to blur the line between government and country. For many emotional folks that effort to blur has succeeded. For others, not so much.

    Ellsberg, Drake, Manning, Snowden, Assange and others understand that government and country are 2 different things. One to be loved and respected, the other to NEVER be trusted.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Anyone have a current Poll on who thinks he is Traitor or Hero? What is the majority saying now?
    Do you need the majority to decide your moral issues for you?

    I don't.

    The majority is usually not much more intelligent than a pack of dogs. You know, "mob mentality". It's real.

    What is the difference between a lynch mob and a pack of dogs? I'm not sure, besides that one group's members have 4 legs and the other 2 legs.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Do you need the majority to decide your moral issues for you?

    I don't.

    The majority is usually not much more intelligent than a pack of dogs. You know, "mob mentality". It's real.

    What is the difference between a lynch mob and a pack of dogs? I'm not sure, besides that one group's members have 4 legs and the other 2 legs.

    Mornin' HD. No.....I don't and I never have. But I pretty much stand with what the majority in the Military stands on. You didn't think because one who leads and agrees with the majority that makes them a follow amongst other leaders now did you?

    Also since he has continued on and think he can improve the NSA and that he thinks he is still working for him. Doesn't help his case any.

    Which says nothing about him screwing his buddy over and destroying that guys life and livelihood.

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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are correct. To the best of my knowledge NSA follows the law, but the law may be unconstitutional. Either way, what NSA does does not mitigate what Snowden did, which is, was, and always will be espionage. People get so caught up in labels and NSA that they seem to lose sight of this. Espionage should never be excused.
    One person's hero is another person's villain. Being a diehard Bush Patriot Act and domestic spying supporter, you see him as a villain. How you must hate the traitors George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. You could start a petition for school books to define them as traitorous criminals.

    If the law unconstitutional as a court suggested, IF he had taken an oath to protect the Constitution then his release of the information was not only legal, but required. Possibly if he had taken such an oath and the actions unconstitutional, he could be prosecuted for not making it known. But, then, you're obviously down on the Constitution and Bill Of Rights too.

    It is amazing how many people now see acting to "preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States" as criminal traitor actions warranting execution or life imprisonment.

    At what point did so many Americans come to hate the Bill Of Rights in their personal paranoia?

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