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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ron Paul doing something stupid? How shocking...

    I am not into letting probable criminals getting off without persecution. I am a law and order type.
    So you would like to see the NSA prosecuted.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    True Constitutional scholars are on my side. I could understand why those who choose to be liars and subvert it while hiding behind their law degree would "disagree" with me.

    U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon has handed down a blockbuster decision this afternoon finding that the massive National Security Agency surveillance program is unconstitutional.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Unless you have any relevant points, YOU get out.
    Turley does not support the NSA program, or the drone program, or the illegal invasion of Iraq, or most things that neo-cons do support.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    First, they prosecute Clapper and McCullogh, and then let's discuss the persecution of Snowden. Clapper and McCullogh perjured themselves before our elected representatives and we're not even sure Snowden did anything criminal. If Justice is to be served, we should start at home, don't you think?
    No, they don't think. It's always ok for government to do whatever they want. Jim Sensenbrenner (of patriot act fame no less) finds the NSA program unconstitutional and has bi-partisan support for a bill that would overhaul, bring "meaningful reform" to the NSA. Snowden's disclosures have opened a much needed debate!
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Look lets make this simple instead.....of you talking ****. You got anything with Constitutional attorneys saying that Snowden didn't break the Law.
    But in many people's opinions, Snowden's broken law trumps the much larger crime against all Americans by the NSA.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    If there are, I haven't seen any. And that isn't surprising.

    The 4th amendment is very clear: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

    A true scholar might disagree with my interpretation of it and have something historical to back up their opinion with. Some writings from the Framers for instance. Maybe a piece of common law which better defines what words meant at the time.

    But someone hiding behind their law degree might just say something like: "Well, we need this for national security, this is the mainstream view, we have had wartime powers before...."

    In other words, they can't actually debate the Constitution but instead use their law degree as an appeal to legal authority.
    After hearing a thorough defense of the NSA's monitoring of Americans' phone calls, Megyn Kelly discussed it with constitutional law expert Jonathan Turley, who took particular issue with Obama referring to the program as a "modest encroachment" on privacy. He called that statement "laughable," saying Obama did not address the questions that civil libertarians like himself have been asking since the Bush administration.

    http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/06/07...ring-laughable
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But in many people's opinions, Snowden's broken law trumps the much larger crime against all Americans by the NSA.
    This is where the discussion always gets stupid. Both can be crimes, and one does not mitigate the other.
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon has handed down a blockbuster decision this afternoon finding that the massive National Security Agency surveillance program is unconstitutional.
    I see no reference to him making any ruling today. Do you have a link? Or are you referring to the opinion he issued in December, which was neither yesterday nor quite what you represent?
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But in many people's opinions, Snowden's broken law trumps the much larger crime against all Americans by the NSA.
    Mornin' Monte. Do people even pay attention to the things that Snowden has stated himself. Do you think that his behavior and his own words sets himself up?

    You don't believe that BS that he thought he was trying to Improve the NSA, do you?


    "I already won," Snowden said. "As soon as the journalists were able to work, everything that I had been trying to do was validated. Because, remember, I didn't want to change society. I wanted to give society a chance to determine if it should change itself."

    Last week, a White House-appointed panel proposed curbs on some key NSA surveillance operations, recommending limits on a program to collect records of billions of telephone calls, and new tests before Washington spies on foreign leaders. The panel's proposals were made in the wake of Snowden's revelations.

    President Barack Obama later tried to strike a middle ground, saying some checks were needed on the NSA's surveillance, but "we can't unilaterally disarm.

    In the interview, Snowden denied he was trying to bring down the NSA. "I am working to improve the NSA," he said. "I am still working for the NSA right now. They are the only ones who don't realize it.".....snip~

    Mission accomplished, says Snowden: Washington Post - Reuters News 12/23/2013 11:34 PM

    Yes the guy who used another to get into some things, using some program to trace and copy over intel, and all that validated experience which shows he is one of the most intelligent people in the intelligence world and able to act as a cryptologist with all he never understood. But knowing it was important. .....

    Do you think he could have went to the Press with the barest of Validated info and still proved his point without endangering others and affect US National Interests?
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    Re: Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'Former Congressman Ron Paul has launched a petition to attempt to garner clemency for NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. The "Demand Clemency for Edward Snowden" petition includes the clip below, Paul calls on supporters to sign the petition in an attempt to bring Snowden home to the US safely before his temporary visa in Russia expires in July.

    On the heels of his son Rand Paul's lawsuit against the Obama nd the NSA seeking to stop its collection of phone metadata, Ron Paul states "Edward Snowden shocked the world when he exposed the NSA’s illegal and abusive spying program. Instead of applauding him for his bravery and patriotism, the U.S. government labels Snowden a traitor."

    By signing this petition, Paul notes on his Channel's website, "you are telling the US government that Mr. Snowden deserves the right to come home without the fear of persecution or imprisonment."'

    Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden | Zero Hedge
    This is why I never could vote for Ron Paul. No matter how much I agree with his ideas, he come up with crap like this.
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