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    Re: World's Largest Solar Plant Comes Online

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    'The Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System officially came online on February 13, becoming the world’s largest source of solar power. With a capacity of 392 megawatts, the solar system will be able to generate enough power for 140,000 homes in California. The $2.2 billion Ivanpah project is located in the Mojave Desert and is a joint venture by NRG Energy, Google, and Brightsource Energy. Secretary of Energy Ernest Moniz toured the plant today with NRG CEO David Crane. Ivanpah uses concentrated solar power (CSP), which uses hundreds of thousands of mirrors to reflect the sun towards a tower. This heats a boiler in the tower, which creates steam to drive turbines and make electricity.' Ivanpah Solar Power Facility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    First, I am a genuine environmentalist and am a fan of almost all renewables, but this is another dollop to the Big Distributed Energy Utilities, welfare queens like the Nuke Industry. If they had put solar panels on rooftops of local homes, they would have about 8 times the effect that distributed energy has, economically. This is welfare and nothing else. It is Renewable Energy monies that should be spent locally being captured by the existing Utility Monopoly. I love renewables, but I hate to see local renewables get the screw job to feed Big Corporate. Do you remember what ENRON did when they manipulated that Western Power Utility and created artificial shortages? Why give the same crooks another chance?

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    Re: World's Largest Solar Plant Comes Online

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Revision... been checking, and inverters are cheaper than I recall, but batteries are up a bit. The per-house cost might be a couple grand lower than my previous estimate.
    Factoring grid maintenance, individual systems are much cheaper.

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    A five square mile no fly zone for birds, fly in you don't fly out. This is just a way for corps to control you. Get your own solar panels and cut the middle man out. Save birds and tortoises and our fragile deserts.

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    Re: World's Largest Solar Plant Comes Online

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'The Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System officially came online on February 13, becoming the world’s largest source of solar power. With a capacity of 392 megawatts, the solar system will be able to generate enough power for 140,000 homes in California. The $2.2 billion Ivanpah project is located in the Mojave Desert and is a joint venture by NRG Energy, Google, and Brightsource Energy. Secretary of Energy Ernest Moniz toured the plant today with NRG CEO David Crane.

    Ivanpah uses concentrated solar power (CSP), which uses hundreds of thousands of mirrors to reflect the sun towards a tower. This heats a boiler in the tower, which creates steam to drive turbines and make electricity.'

    Ivanpah Solar Power Facility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Now, if they can just come up with sufficient water to run the system.....

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    Re: World's Largest Solar Plant Comes Online

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'The Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System officially came online on February 13, becoming the world’s largest source of solar power. With a capacity of 392 megawatts, the solar system will be able to generate enough power for 140,000 homes in California. The $2.2 billion Ivanpah project is located in the Mojave Desert and is a joint venture by NRG Energy, Google, and Brightsource Energy. Secretary of Energy Ernest Moniz toured the plant today with NRG CEO David Crane.

    Ivanpah uses concentrated solar power (CSP), which uses hundreds of thousands of mirrors to reflect the sun towards a tower. This heats a boiler in the tower, which creates steam to drive turbines and make electricity.'

    Ivanpah Solar Power Facility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Is this the same one they found was killing birds?
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    Re: World's Largest Solar Plant Comes Online

    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    I thought the Great Barrier Reef was the worlds largest plant to use solar energy...
    Nope, coral is an animal, not a plant.
    So follow me into the desert
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    Re: World's Largest Solar Plant Comes Online

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'The Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System officially came online on February 13, becoming the world’s largest source of solar power. With a capacity of 392 megawatts, the solar system will be able to generate enough power for 140,000 homes in California. The $2.2 billion Ivanpah project is located in the Mojave Desert and is a joint venture by NRG Energy, Google, and Brightsource Energy. Secretary of Energy Ernest Moniz toured the plant today with NRG CEO David Crane.

    Ivanpah uses concentrated solar power (CSP), which uses hundreds of thousands of mirrors to reflect the sun towards a tower. This heats a boiler in the tower, which creates steam to drive turbines and make electricity.'

    Ivanpah Solar Power Facility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The problem with solar power is that it's not economically or "environmentally" viable.

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    Re: World's Largest Solar Plant Comes Online

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    wondered about that too.


    Let's do some math....


    I've found new solar panels from $150 for 100-watt to $205 for 140 watt... but I've heard they can be had cheaper if you look around or buy bulk. Let's assume $1 a watt for solar panels.

    10 hours effective sunshine for full output per day average... typical house consumes 25-50 kwh if you try to conserve a little.. let's say 35kwh a day. 35kwh / 10 hrs = 3.5 kw of panels... 3500 watts, 35 panels at $100 a panel is $3500.

    Now you need inverters, charge controllers, and batteries. In my experience that's going to run you at least $12,000.

    We're up to $15,500 for a solar system you can easily run your house on without the grid. Not bad.


    Now... the meat of the question...

    2. 2 billion / 15,500 per house would solar-ize how many houses??

    I got 141,935 houses.


    So it works out about even, except you have to consider the power transmission infrastructure and maintenance, so really the house-by-house would come out a lot cheaper in the long run.
    Yep, I've got 10K in mine at seventeen years? That's $70.00 a month and will go down next year and the next......
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    Re: World's Largest Solar Plant Comes Online

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Revision... been checking, and inverters are cheaper than I recall, but batteries are up a bit. The per-house cost might be a couple grand lower than my previous estimate.
    Backup generators are a usual piece as well as bts, and both fuse and breaker boxes and combiner boxes.
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    Re: World's Largest Solar Plant Comes Online

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Is this the same one they found was killing birds?
    Wasn't that a wind system?
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