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    Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    "Our visit offers a new start to the development of military and technological cooperation between Egypt and Russia," Sisi told Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu.

    The Soviet Union was the main supplier of arms to Egypt in the 1960s and early 1970s.
    Cooperation between the two sides dropped after Israel and Egypt signed a peace treaty and Cairo began receiving generous US aid.
    Russia is now keen to revive those ties and Shoigu made clear on Thursday that Moscow fully supported the tough measures taken by Sisi against Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood movement..

    two sides had touched on the possibility of Russia and Egypt conducting joint military exercises and the option of the North African country's officers undergoing military training in Moscow.

    Some analysts said the Kremlin had sensed a weakening of Washington's position in a vital Middle Eastern nation and was now preparing to pounce on the opportunity.
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    Obama unilaterally ( without calls from Congress to do so) recently suspended :
    U.S. suspends significant military aid to Egypt - CNN.com
    The United States will halt a $260 million cash transfer to Egypt and suspend large-scale military systems, like the F-16 aircraft, M1A1 tank parts, Harpoon anti-ship missiles and Apache helicopters. Some of the aid will be "repurposed" to benefit the Egyptian people
    This was a blunder, un needed , allowing Russia to pounce on the opening to wedge into the ME, garnishing support from the US closest Arab ally .

    Putin today also praised the Egyptian constitution, recognizing it produces "stability'; which is what most Egyptians want ( sans the Muslim Brotherhood).

    Once again (like Syria) Putin is a chess player in strategic reach, while the US knocks down years of ties to Egypt like dominos -
    Obama wears a dunce cap in the corner of the room watching the handshake of Sisi and Putin in Moscow.

    He is single handedly allowing Russia to expand influence in the ME, for stupid, inanities reasons, being unable to comprehend realpolitik
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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Personally, I don't give a ****. Let Russia have it, America is in deep trouble here, we have our hands full.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Personally, I don't give a ****. Let Russia have it, America is in deep trouble here, we have our hands full.
    you should give a damn. Russian influence in the ME is not a good thing, (except for Syria -a long time client state). Russian wlll gladly take any spheres of influence abdicated by the US.

    the US has to be seen as a reliable partner -this isn't our usual interventionism, this is about the stability of Egypt, which has terrorists operating in the Sinai.
    Why Obama's move was so idiotic-Egypt is the most secular Arab state, and has natural ties to western states. Allowing Russia to become a major supplier of weapons, distances our influence.
    We need Eqypt's co-operation on any Israeli/Palestinian negotiations.

    Eqypt is a bulwark against Islamist fundamentalism, as witnessed by the deposed Morsi, once he went into s full scale power grab.
    With our destruction of Libya, this further reduces US ability to operate counter-terrorism strategy in Africa, if we lose any intelligence cooperation.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    you should give a damn. Russian influence in the ME is not a good thing, (except for Syria -a long time client state). Russian wlll gladly take any spheres of influence abdicated by the US.

    the US has to be seen as a reliable partner -this isn't our usual interventionism, this is about the stability of Egypt, which has terrorists operating in the Sinai.
    Why Obama's move was so idiotic-Egypt is the most secular Arab state, and has natural ties to western states. Allowing Russia to become a major supplier of weapons, distances our influence.
    We need Eqypt's co-operation on any Israeli/Palestinian negotiations.

    Eqypt is a bulwark against Islamist fundamentalism, as witnessed by the deposed Morsi, once he went into s full scale power grab.
    With our destruction of Libya, this further reduces US ability to operate counter-terrorism strategy in Africa, if we lose any intelligence cooperation.
    Destabilization is the policy. Wesley Clark disclosed the list of ME countries that would see regime change, been crossing them off.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Destabilization is the policy. Wesley Clark disclosed the list of ME countries that would see regime change, been crossing them off.
    respectfully, Egypt cannot be on that list -(I don't know the reference), i'd be super-surprised to see Egypt as a target of our mischief.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    respectfully, Egypt cannot be on that list -(I don't know the reference), i'd be super-surprised to see Egypt as a target of our mischief.
    I don't believe Egypt was, but Libya, Syria and Iran were.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    respectfully, Egypt cannot be on that list -(I don't know the reference), i'd be super-surprised to see Egypt as a target of our mischief.
    Here ya go man, from a 2007 interview with Amy Goodman.


    I knew why, because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, “We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?” He said, “I don’t know.” He said, “I guess they don’t know what else to do.” So I said, “Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?” He said, “No, no.” He says, “There’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.” He said, “I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down governments.” And he said, “I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.”

    So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”
    Is it classified? hahaha
    No, it's not classified, we're releasing the memo to CNN this afternoon.
    Asking if it is classified is too imbecilic to have happened. There's no way in hell that someone is told of such a "memo" and asks if it is classified.

    And the bold part.. that's too stupid. It's completely unbelievable. In fact, it's impossible.


    So, how did we force Assad to kill 100k civilians and gas the capital?
    Also, what's your source?
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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    In North Africa, Obama supports his fellow "Muslim Brotherhood" and "Al Qaeda". He destabilized the region, but that's all he has achieved. And it is not surprise, that our former allies leave to Russia. Obama is enemy. Smart and consistent. He will not rest until all our allies disappear .

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    So, now people who condemned US support of Egypt will condemn the withdrawal of that support?

    haha

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