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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No I agree. As I said, we should arm ourselves. We should invest heavily into military research and development in the hopes we never have to use it. But humanity isn't at the point yet where we can all trust each other. I just don't think we should be arming others or involved in interventionist wars. The best offense if oft a great defense, and we should have the best. Just be limited in use and not involve ourselves heavily in the military affairs of others.
    we do have alliances, George Washington's Farewell Address warning notwithstanding ( where he warned against "permanent alliances"),
    commonly referred to as 'entangling alliances' (s.i.c.)
    NATO as our first permanent alliance, and should be our last. I agree with you/alliances of convenience are OK, getting into a ME or other's civil wars are not.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    we do have alliances, George Washington's Farewell Address warning notwithstanding ( where he warned against "permanent alliances"),
    commonly referred to as 'entangling alliances' (s.i.c.)
    NATO as our first permanent alliance, and should be our last. I agree with you/alliances of convenience are OK, getting into a ME or other's civil wars are not.
    I have always thought with the break up of the USSR and the disbandment of the Warsaw Pack, NATO should have been disbanded a few years after.
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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    It makes me happy if Russia helps Egypt!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I have always thought with the break up of the USSR and the disbandment of the Warsaw Pack, NATO should have been disbanded a few years after.
    don't think getting out of NATO is possible. Too many integrated weapons systems ( Joint Task Strike Fighter F-35), as well as overlapping security duties.
    If this is all the alliances, I can live with that even with the demise of the Warsaw Pack.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    don't think getting out of NATO is possible. Too many integrated weapons systems ( Joint Task Strike Fighter F-35), as well as overlapping security duties.
    If this is all the alliances, I can live with that even with the demise of the Warsaw Pack.
    Perhaps if it was its original size, just the countries of Western Europe, but with the addition of most of the former Eastern European Countries that made up the Warsaw Pact, it is just way too big and is liable to get us involved in what should be just an European Affair at sometime or another. NATO served its purpose, it deterred aggression from the USSR and the Warsaw Pact. SEATO and CENTO, other treaty organizations from that same time period are gone, NATO should join them.
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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perhaps if it was its original size, just the countries of Western Europe, but with the addition of most of the former Eastern European Countries that made up the Warsaw Pact, it is just way too big and is liable to get us involved in what should be just an European Affair at sometime or another. NATO served its purpose, it deterred aggression from the USSR and the Warsaw Pact. SEATO and CENTO, other treaty organizations from that same time period are gone, NATO should join them.
    good point. the addition of the Eastern block countries does cause (legitimate) friction with Russia.

    NATO is more then east v west though; it is a partnership in global security. I personally despise the over-reach in Libya, but it shows we act as a coordinated entity with Europe.
    I'd prefer the old organization too though, not a good idea to incorporate countries not in western Europe.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    good point. the addition of the Eastern block countries does cause (legitimate) friction with Russia.

    NATO is more then east v west though; it is a partnership in global security. I personally despise the over-reach in Libya, but it shows we act as a coordinated entity with Europe.
    I'd prefer the old organization too though, not a good idea to incorporate countries not in western Europe.
    I agree. NATO has been around since the end of WWII and you can't get anything more permanent that that as far as alliances are concerned.
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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I agree. NATO has been around since the end of WWII and you can't get anything more permanent that that as far as alliances are concerned.
    yes. Odd how it violates the Washington admonition not to engage in such;
    I still think it's rather benign ( not the correct word?) compared to the old SEATO which was far beyond any of our concerns.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    yes. Odd how it violates the Washington admonition not to engage in such;
    I still think it's rather benign ( not the correct word?) compared to the old SEATO which was far beyond any of our concerns.
    Perhaps, but both had the same mission, just different parts of the globe. Containment and to stop the expansion of Communism. Now the importance of doing that might be different to different people and as for importance wise, Europe probably triumphs Asia. At that time anyway. Things and events are viewed differently by western and eastern eyes.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perhaps if it was its original size, just the countries of Western Europe, but with the addition of most of the former Eastern European Countries that made up the Warsaw Pact, it is just way too big and is liable to get us involved in what should be just an European Affair at sometime or another. NATO served its purpose, it deterred aggression from the USSR and the Warsaw Pact. SEATO and CENTO, other treaty organizations from that same time period are gone, NATO should join them.

    Absolutely great point Pero!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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