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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    What are you talking about ? Remember on 9-11-12 (Benghazi) No CSG or ARG was in the Mediterranean Sea. The last 11 Presidents before Obama always had a Carrier Battle Group and an Amphibious Ready Group with a reinforced Marine rifle battalion in the 6th Fleet AOR (Mediterranean Sea) 24/7. On 9-11-12 there were only three Arliegh Burke destroyers in the 6th Fleet AOR.

    Last August during the Putin-Obama stare down where Obama blinked, the U.S. Navy wasn't able to surge a CSG into the Mediterranean Sea and was only able to deploy two destroyers to the 6th Fleet AOR increasing the 6th Fleet size to five destroyers. The Soviets were able to put a dozen warships into the Mediterranean Sea including a Slava class cruiser. American Nimitz class carriers and it's escorts are kind of scared of Slava class cruisers since they were built for only one mission, sinking American super carriers and it's escorts.

    Under the Obama administration the 6th Fleet usually only have three Arleigh Burke class destroyers on station in the Med and their primary mission is providing anti ballistic missile defense for Europe. I'm sure we have a few attack subs in the Med but so does Russia.

    The Russian Navy has a larger presence in the Med than the U.S. Navy. It's been like that for five years now.
    thanks, this is news to me. I had always thought the Russian navy was inferior presence in the Mediterranean, so we have NO carrier groups there now? wow.
    where are they?
    This has all changed under Obama??

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Well, if it was Clinton's job to clean up Bush I's mess, then it was Reagan's to clean up after Carter. He did pretty well except for this.
    Iraq never surrendered during the first Gulf war. Only a cease fire agreement was signed.

    Iraq didn't start violating the cease fire agreement until 1993. G.H. Bush was no longer in the White House.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So, now people who condemned US support of Egypt will condemn the withdrawal of that support?

    haha
    there is some of that, but we aren't so much with drawling support , as allowing Russia in ( for no sane reason) as a supporter. Putin wants as much expansion of the empire as possible.

    The OP says Russia stopped being a major supplier to Egypt after the '70's. If we cannot be a reliable partner, they will turn elsewhere.

    SA is doing the same thing, but that is a bit different as we aren't not supplying ( we continue to), and running partner military ops -we are diversifying with possible détente' with Iran .

    A GAIN and equalization of US influence. There is no gain in allowing Russia to supply Egyptian weapons, none.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Iraq never surrendered during the first Gulf war. Only a cease fire agreement was signed.

    Iraq didn't start violating the cease fire agreement until 1993. G.H. Bush was no longer in the White House.
    He should have taken Saddam out the first time. Why would anyone trust him to keep a cease fire? Seriously, who really thought he'd keep it? Oh, wait, Bush did....apparently.


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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    thanks, this is news to me. I had always thought the Russian navy was inferior presence in the Mediterranean, so we have NO carrier groups there now? wow.
    where are they?
    This has all changed under Obama??
    It all happened on Obama's watch.

    1/2 of the Marine Corps isn't combat ready do to the lack of training and not being properly equipped. There's seems to be money for mandatory sensitivity training but not for training for war.

    The Army is worse off, only 3 out of 33 combat brigades are properly trained and equipped to be deployed into combat.

    Obama has grounded 1/3 of all Air Force squadrons and what aircraft that haven't been grounded, 50% can't fly because of the lack of maintenance and spare parts.

    Two years ago it was reported to Congress that 23% of the Navy's ships couldn't put to sea and be able to fight because the lack of maintenance. Either a radar didn't work, or a weapons system wasn't working or a generator wasn't working etc.

    The Obama administration is not in the national defense business but the social engineering business. To change the purpose and character of the U.S. military.


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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    He should have taken Saddam out the first time. Why would anyone trust him to keep a cease fire? Seriously, who really thought he'd keep it? Oh, wait, Bush did....apparently.
    In hindsight, if France hadn't insisted on picking Germany's pockets after WW l, there would have never been a WW ll.

    Chew on that for awhile.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Yahoo!

    Obama unilaterally ( without calls from Congress to do so) recently suspended :
    U.S. suspends significant military aid to Egypt - CNN.com


    This was a blunder, un needed , allowing Russia to pounce on the opening to wedge into the ME, garnishing support from the US closest Arab ally .

    Putin today also praised the Egyptian constitution, recognizing it produces "stability'; which is what most Egyptians want ( sans the Muslim Brotherhood).

    Once again (like Syria) Putin is a chess player in strategic reach, while the US knocks down years of ties to Egypt like dominos -
    Obama wears a dunce cap in the corner of the room watching the handshake of Sisi and Putin in Moscow.

    He is single handedly allowing Russia to expand influence in the ME, for stupid, inanities reasons, being unable to comprehend realpolitik
    Agreed. Russia is now in a more influential position in the ME than the US is, in spite of all the blood and treasure we have spent there.

    Another sterling performance by Obama and Kerry in the international political arena. (sarcasm)
    I suppose you can't expect better from a community organizer and a liberal elitist.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    there is some of that, but we aren't so much with drawling support , as allowing Russia in ( for no sane reason) as a supporter.
    Of course there is a sane reason. Egypt needs all the help it can get. Bringing Russia in on the deal relieves the US of obligations and maintains (semi) Western support for the fledgling government to organize a democratic transitional government.

    Why do you not want the Russians to help the Egyptians? Do you hate the Egyptians?

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    God, I love it. There ain't nothin' quite so amusing as the completely misinformed. You've earned your check today, and your handlers are proud, eh? You like the movie stars that believe their own press releases.
    Perhaps you should write a manifesto. You could mail it to people.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Of course there is a sane reason. Egypt needs all the help it can get. Bringing Russia in on the deal relieves the US of obligations and maintains (semi) Western support for the fledgling government to organize a democratic transitional government.

    Why do you not want the Russians to help the Egyptians? Do you hate the Egyptians?
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    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    There is no gain in allowing Russia to supply Egyptian weapons, none.
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