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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    He was only used as a friend during the 1980's.
    "Used as a friend" interesting language!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    "Used as a friend" interesting language!
    We used Saddam Husein to help keep the oil flowing for our European allies and Japan while having them killing Iranians at the same time.

    Then at the same time we sold obsolete weapons to Iran so they could keep killing Iraqis.

    It was a win win situation.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    We used Saddam Husein to help keep the oil flowing for our European allies and Japan while having them killing Iranians at the same time.

    Then at the same time we sold obsolete weapons to Iran so they could keep killing Iraqis.

    It was a win win situation.
    Yes I knew clearly what you meant, and what we did. It's criminal as all hell on a personal level, but explained right away as foreign policy. Murder, theft and deceit, because we can.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Conservatives mad about military support to Egypt, mad about stopping military support to Egypt.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Russia is not capable of being the strategic ally that Egypt requires. Moreover Egypt's extremely close and crucial relationship with Saudi Arabia makes this doubly impractical. This is due to the very close relationship Saudi Arabia has with the United States and more importantly their fiercely negative relationship with Russia. This is a clever effort by Egypt to lever the United States and give some pushback. In the long haul it will not lead to a fundamental regional realignment.
    a good analysis. SA is not quite as close as they were with the US, looking to branch out. Mostly to France, but things can get funny really quickly.

    There wouldn't be any need to "leverage" the US if we had kept a close connection -I do understand the Russian navy cannot be a presence in the ME like the US navy.
    But there was no reason to even allow the Russian influence - Putin will "leverage" any thing he can there.

    I'd prefer we kept our strategic relationship as close as possible to Egypt -this (suspension) was just a bad move by Obama.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I didn't vote to give Obama a secod chance.
    I doubt you voted to give him a first chance either, but your voice is only one of many.


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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Saddam Hussein was a problem that President Clinton was suppose to take care of, Clinton ignored the problem and left it for G.W. Bush to take care of.
    Why was it Clinton's job and not Bush Sr's?


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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Saddam Hussein was a problem that President Clinton was suppose to take care of, Clinton ignored the problem and left it for G.W. Bush to take care of.
    What problem are we referring to. Saddam's OIL priced in EUROs or Saddam's OIL or Iraq's OIL or OIL in general and the HUGE profits to be made.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    We used Saddam Husein to help keep the oil flowing for our European allies and Japan while having them killing Iranians at the same time.

    Then at the same time we sold obsolete weapons to Iran so they could keep killing Iraqis.

    It was a win win situation.
    And we sold poison gas precursors to Saddam and provided satellite intelligence of the location of the Iranian armies so he could accurately deploy his poison gas. Just a great bunch of guys, don't you think?

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Why was it Clinton's job and not Bush Sr's?
    You can't throw a republican under the bus, that would be a bad little partisan. Actually it was nobodies job. As Apache readily stated, Iraq was about oil as far back as the 80's and its truly mind boggling that there are still people denying that. April Glaspie got the criticism, but I'm satisfied she informed Saddam Hussein as per her instructions, as ambassadors aren't usually working rogue. The message to Saddam was intentionally vague giving him the false belief that how he handled border disputes and slant drilling claims was not an American issue. Arab to Arab conflicts aren't the business of the US. Foolish for him by this time to have believed anything coming from Washington, but he did. And his subsequent action, which I do not support AT ALL, brought the US down his chimney. Apache summed up US foreign policy with regards to Iraq nicely above.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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