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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    That is true, Egyptians have always hated Americans. The only reason American tourist were able sail down the Nile, look at the pyramids and all of the poverty for the past few decades was because of President Mubarak who protected the American and Western European tourist.

    Obama threw Mubarak under the bus and there won't be too many American tourist visiting Egypt in the foreseeable future.

    Lets not forget Mubarak played a key role in keeping the peace in the Middle east, he protected Israels southern flank.
    But he was a dictator and that's what's always pointed out when someone makes similar claims about Saddam Hussein.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Hey, it prevented another US military engagement. I rather prefer Putin taking over!!
    By Obama playing checkers, he almost did get us in another war.

    The way Obama is going, that war with China that shouldn't be happening for another twenty or thirty years may be moved up in the time line.
    We have a ###### incompetent person sitting in the White House who is ###### clueless.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Yahoo!

    Obama unilaterally ( without calls from Congress to do so) recently suspended :
    U.S. suspends significant military aid to Egypt - CNN.com


    This was a blunder, un needed , allowing Russia to pounce on the opening to wedge into the ME, garnishing support from the US closest Arab ally .

    Putin today also praised the Egyptian constitution, recognizing it produces "stability'; which is what most Egyptians want ( sans the Muslim Brotherhood).

    Once again (like Syria) Putin is a chess player in strategic reach, while the US knocks down years of ties to Egypt like dominos -
    Obama wears a dunce cap in the corner of the room watching the handshake of Sisi and Putin in Moscow.

    He is single handedly allowing Russia to expand influence in the ME, for stupid, inanities reasons, being unable to comprehend realpolitik
    Russia is not capable of being the strategic ally that Egypt requires. Moreover Egypt's extremely close and crucial relationship with Saudi Arabia makes this doubly impractical. This is due to the very close relationship Saudi Arabia has with the United States and more importantly their fiercely negative relationship with Russia. This is a clever effort by Egypt to lever the United States and give some pushback. In the long haul it will not lead to a fundamental regional realignment.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    By Obama playing checkers, he almost did get us in another war.

    The way Obama is going, that war with China that shouldn't be happening for another twenty or thirty years may be moved up in the time line.
    We have a ###### incompetent person sitting in the White House who is ###### clueless.
    That's the point. Regime change in Syria has been a long standing US foreign policy goal. Putin saved the day. Looks like president Assad will prevail. I agree with you however about the man in the White House. But I also felt the same about bush. But then I'm not a partisan either.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's the point. Regime change in Syria has been a long standing US foreign policy goal. Putin saved the day. Looks like president Assad will prevail. I agree with you however about the man in the White House. But I also felt the same about bush. But then I'm not a partisan either.
    Not really. But it should have been. Though that's only because I'm not much inclined towards fascist dictatorships.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But he was a dictator and that's what's always pointed out when someone makes similar claims about Saddam Hussein.
    Saddam Hussein was a problem that President Clinton was suppose to take care of, Clinton ignored the problem and left it for G.W. Bush to take care of.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But he was a dictator and that's what's always pointed out when someone makes similar claims about Saddam Hussein.
    Not all dictators are equal. A child should be able to understand this.

    And no one claims Saddam provided stability. His government was inherently unstable, he invaded neighbors twice, genocide twice, etc etc etc. Saddam providing stability is a myth told to children in mosques. Iraq was not stable domestically or regionally. It was, in fact, the largest source of international conflicts in the region.


    Let's note once again:

    Genocide is not stability.
    Invading neighbors is not stability.
    Seventeen UNSCR Ch7 violations is not stability.

    Why did Saddam have a fake WMD program? To prevent Iran from invading... not stability.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 02-14-14 at 12:38 AM.

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Saddam Hussein was a problem that President Clinton was suppose to take care of, Clinton ignored the problem and left it for G.W. Bush to take care of.
    Saddam Hussein was both friend and foe. Depended on our agenda at the time.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Not really. But it should have been. Though that's only because I'm not much inclined towards fascist dictatorships.
    Well it was and is, it's just that Russia and China called bull****!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia/Egypt - close military deal; closer ties at expense of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Saddam Hussein was both friend and foe. Depended on our agenda at the time.
    He was only used as a friend during the 1980's.

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