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    6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    The right to vote is the foundation of any democracy, yet nearly six million Americans are denied that right, in many cases for life, because they have been convicted of a crime. Some states disenfranchise more than 7 percent of their adult citizens.

    In an unflinching speech before a civil rights conference Tuesday morning, Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. described this shameful aspect of our justice system for what it is: a “profoundly outdated” practice that is unjust and counterproductive.
    Felon disenfranchisement laws lie at the intersection of two issues on which Mr. Holder has become increasingly outspoken: criminal justice reform and voting rights. While he has no direct authority to change state laws, the weight of his words can help pave a path for legislative action in both Congress and statehouses around the country.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/op...f=opinion&_r=0

    It's about goddamn time that such laws that fly hilariously in the face of the spirit of the constitution are confronted at the higher levels of government. While I doubt there's currently any political momentum to create Federal laws that overturn state disenfranchisement laws, maybe this will help start the public dialogue needed to do so. Voter disenfranchisement laws are are an utter travesty.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Considering that bringing the wrong kind of potted flower into the country can be a felony these days, I'm starting to agree.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    The only reason Holder is opening his corrupt mouth is because he thinks he can bring in Democrat votes.
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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The only reason Holder is opening his corrupt mouth is because he thinks he can bring in Democrat votes.
    Do you believe that people who've served their sentences should lose their right to vote for the rest of their lives, or are you more concerned that ex-felons might vote Democrat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Considering that bringing the wrong kind of potted flower into the country can be a felony these days, I'm starting to agree.
    So we shouldn't change the law on potted flowers, but fix the problem by giving back rights to all felons?
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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So we shouldn't change the law on potted flowers, but fix the problem by giving back rights to all felons?
    While some countries do in fact give their felons the right to vote, that is for a different debate. The operative word in this thread is ex-felon, as in, those who have already served their sentences and paid their debt to society.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    No one should lose their right to vote at any point.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/op...f=opinion&_r=0

    It's about goddamn time that such laws that fly hilariously in the face of the spirit of the constitution are confronted at the higher levels of government. While I doubt there's currently any political momentum to create Federal laws that overturn state disenfranchisement laws, maybe this will help start the public dialogue needed to do so. Voter disenfranchisement laws are are an utter travesty.
    The 14th Amendment, Section 2:

    Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
    SCOTUS ruled denying felons the right to vote was indeed Constitutional...based on the above. In thirteen states and DC, one's right to vote is re-asserted after incarceration.

    It's obviously a state issue. Holder! Keep your nose out of it!

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The 14th Amendment, Section 2:



    SCOTUS ruled denying felons the right to vote was indeed Constitutional...based on the above. In thirteen states and DC, one's right to vote is re-asserted after incarceration.

    It's obviously a state issue. Holder! Keep your nose out of it!
    I'm aware of the 14th amendment, and I believe it's a fantastically unjust ruling that makes a mockery of the concept of repaying one's debt to society, and casts citizens into a limbo whereby they can be taxed and have laws applied to them, but forever have no voice in society in spite of being American citizens. (There's a popular phrase related to that, actually).

    As for "state's rights," this is just code for "the states having the right to discriminate against its citizens."

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I know that, and I believe it's a fantastically unjust ruling that makes a mockery of the concept of repaying one's debt to society, and casts citizens into a limbo whereby they can be taxed and have laws applied to them, but forever have no voice in society in spite of being American citizens. (There's a popular phrase related to that, actually).

    As for "state's rights," this is just code for "the states having the right to discriminate against its citizens."
    So the Constitution is invalid if it doesn't agree with you?

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