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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Is it not true that some debts can never be repaid in full?

    It would seem people believed part of the debt owed to society for conviction of a felony was to lose voting rights. There are some good reasons this particular debt is a good one. However, like most things, I would imagine there are examples where such a debt would seem to be too much.
    The question is, why append further punishments to the sentence? Is the sentence the sentence or not?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    That's fair, they should pass their time of parole or whatever after prison. I can agree to that.
    I was never one to like this zero tolerance stuff. Zero tolerance becomes a farce after awhile like a 8 year old child pointing his finger at another child out on the school playground and getting suspended from school. I think each instance should be looked at instance by instance, individual by individual. Blanket laws and regulations do not leave enough leeway to be just. Just like zero tolerance.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So now you're equating ex-felons being allowed to vote with voter fraud?

    Your position is not just absurd but disturbingly confused.
    Not confused at all and I didn't equate anything. The only similarity those groups have is that none of those mentioned vote republican. I was agreeing with YOUR point:

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    Two can play that game. Does anyone think that conservatives aren't coming to the defense of voter disenfranchisement because of their belief that it ultimately helps the Republican party?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I was never one to like this zero tolerance stuff. Zero tolerance becomes a farce after awhile like a 8 year old child pointing his finger at another child out on the school playground and getting suspended from school. I think each instance should be looked at instance by instance, individual by individual. Blanket laws and regulations do not leave enough leeway to be just. Just like zero tolerance.
    my thought is, yes while a person may be a hardened criminal and its not always easy for a parole board to tell the difference or anything like that. If we want people to not return to prison in as high a rate, then give them a normal shot at a normal life after prison. Besides, they did their crime, they paid the time. When I punish my kids, when its over, i never mention it again and resume normal relations. This allows people to learn from their mistakes.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The question is, why append further punishments to the sentence? Is the sentence the sentence or not?
    You're still not getting it. There is no appending in the argument you're responding to. Losing the vote is part of the sentence.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    my thought is, yes while a person may be a hardened criminal and its not always easy for a parole board to tell the difference or anything like that. If we want people to not return to prison in as high a rate, then give them a normal shot at a normal life after prison. Besides, they did their crime, they paid the time. When I punish my kids, when its over, i never mention it again and resume normal relations. This allows people to learn from their mistakes.
    Certainly you can see the problem with that considering certain crimes? Ever held a bonded position? Imagine how quickly a bonding company would go out of business if all ex-felons records came back clean. How about sex crimes, you willing to hire teachers that just finished a sentence for child rape?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    So the Constitution is invalid if it doesn't agree with you?
    That is pretty much it. Thread done.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're still not getting it. There is no appending in the argument you're responding to. Losing the vote is part of the sentence.
    And any sentences that include such life "debts" (though I've never heard of sentences that include "shall forever lose the right to vote" myself) would fly in the face of the 15th amendment.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Certainly you can see the problem with that considering certain crimes? Ever held a bonded position? Imagine how quickly a bonding company would go out of business if all ex-felons records came back clean. How about sex crimes, you willing to hire teachers that just finished a sentence for child rape?
    Child rape is a special case tending to have an associated disorder, so in that case no, but such a person should be in an institution anyway, most of the time.

    bonding, I am on the fence.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    my thought is, yes while a person may be a hardened criminal and its not always easy for a parole board to tell the difference or anything like that. If we want people to not return to prison in as high a rate, then give them a normal shot at a normal life after prison. Besides, they did their crime, they paid the time. When I punish my kids, when its over, i never mention it again and resume normal relations. This allows people to learn from their mistakes.
    I do not know the percentages of those who serve time that get out and live life right vs. those that continue to commit crime. i think in an ideal world where one commits a crime, does his sentence, serves his punishment and gets out to become a productive citizen, then restoring all rights would be the proper thing to do. But this isn't an ideal world. I would prefer to let it be on an individual by individual basis. there is a big difference from punishing a child for not taking out the garbage or failing to do ones chores and someone who killed a person or committed armed robbery or something.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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