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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    No, which ones specifically have no way possible for an ex-felon to restore their voter eligibility?

    I ask because every state on the list you provided has procedure to allow an ex-felon to renew their status.
    Once their parole is up they can vote again.

    They just cant vote while incarcerated or on parole.

    And IMO I'm sure that is an "unwritten rule" - it's not like the DMV or voting precinct captain knows you're a felon.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Sorry but that doesn't work for me. Never has and never will. It's totally contrary to the way I see any level of Justice in the world.
    What is unjust about the remission of a penalty by the person against whom the offense was committed?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    What is unjust about the remission of a penalty by the person against whom the offense was committed?
    The fact that the act cannot be taken back. Seeing that there is no punishment for that act makes others more likely to follow suit.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The fact that the act cannot be taken back. Seeing that there is no punishment for that act makes others more likely to follow suit.
    That only applies if others who would commit the offense have knowledge of the judgment of the specific person (as with legal judgments on Earth). Since the living lack knowledge of the fate of specific people, this is not a problem.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    That only applies if others who would commit the offense have knowledge of the judgment of the specific person (as with legal judgments on Earth). Since the living lack knowledge of the fate of specific people, this is not a problem.
    Christianity, at least the Protestant religions I'm familiar with preach that any crime/sin can be forgiven on an Eternal level simply by confession and absolution. That's no way to get anyone to do what they should when simply saying " I messed up, please forgive me." erases all consequences.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Christianity, at least the Protestant religions I'm familiar with preach that any crime/sin can be forgiven on an Eternal level simply by confession and absolution. That's no way to get anyone to do what they should when simply saying " I messed up, please forgive me." erases all consequences.
    I'm not as familiar with the Protestants, but in the Catholic concept of contrition, it is required that one be resolved that one would not commit the sin again. Also, Catholic theology states that even after a sin is forgiven, there remains temporal punishment in purgatory which justice requires must occur, unless the person obtains the remission of the temporal punishment by means of certain virtuous acts which the Church has declared indulgenced.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I'm not as familiar with the Protestants, but in the Catholic concept of contrition, it is required that one be resolved that one would not commit the sin again. Also, Catholic theology states that even after a sin is forgiven, there remains temporal punishment in purgatory which justice requires must occur, unless the person obtains the remission of the temporal punishment by means of certain virtuous acts which the Church has declared indulgenced.
    That's not how Protestant absolution works nor do they have anything equivalent of Purgatory. I'm no longer Christian myself and see this world much more as the middle ground between the Light and the Dark of the other side.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's not how Protestant absolution works nor do they have anything equivalent of Purgatory. I'm no longer Christian myself and see this world much more as the middle ground between the Light and the Dark of the other side.
    You said that before abandoning Christianity you approached ministers of several different denominations. If you don't mind my asking, were these all Protestant denominations, because most of your objections to Christianity seem to be based on Protestant theological deficiencies?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    You said that before abandoning Christianity you approached ministers of several different denominations. If you don't mind my asking, were these all Protestant denominations, because most of your objections to Christianity seem to be based on Protestant theological deficiencies?
    No they were not. Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, and many others. I grew up Lutheran so that's where most of my experience lays prior to leaving organized religion.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And it's unjust. It makes a mockery of no taxation without representation and the bar is set ridiculously low for for how easy it is to strip a person of their voting rights besides.
    I don't know about the bar being set low. It seems the other 90% of the population doesn't have trouble staying out of federal prison.

    Like I said before. The "right" to vote is part of the social contract. You break it, you lose that right. Now we can say that maybe some felonies shouldn't be felonies and that's a fair point to be made. But if you think felons deserve all of their rights back without exception the moment they walk out of prison, then I suppose you also should add how you also think that pedophiles should be allowed to live next door to schools. Right?

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