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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    So the Constitution is invalid if it doesn't agree with you?
    Re-read my post if you felt I was unclear.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Re-read my post if you felt I was unclear.
    I asked you a question that requires a simple yes or no. Sorry if that complicates your life.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I asked you a question that requires a simple yes or no. Sorry if that complicates your life.
    No, what you want is to simplify my argument to the point that it's stripped of its content. Sorry if I won't indulge you.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No, what you want is to simplify my argument to the point that it's stripped of its content. Sorry if I won't indulge you.
    I'll take that as a yes.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I asked you a question that requires a simple yes or no. Sorry if that complicates your life.
    Let me ask you, Maggie: do you believe that it's acceptable that someone who's served their sentence and repaid their debt to society should never be allowed to vote again?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm aware of the 14th amendment, and I believe it's a fantastically unjust ruling that makes a mockery of the concept of repaying one's debt to society, and casts citizens into a limbo whereby they can be taxed and have laws applied to them, but forever have no voice in society in spite of being American citizens. (There's a popular phrase related to that, actually).

    As for "state's rights," this is just code for "the states having the right to discriminate against its citizens."
    Thankfully your fellow citizens generally don't feel the same.

    The democrat voting block - illegals, felons and anyone without ID. Hey, new bumpersticker!

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Let me ask you, Maggie: do you believe that it's acceptable that someone who's served their sentence and repaid their debt to society should never be allowed to vote again?
    No. (See how easy that is?) My state is one that restores right to vote after incarceration.

    Edit:

    Let's see how big the problem is:

    There are twelve states that may permanently ban a felon from voting:

    Alabama - Some persons convicted of a felony may apply to have their vote restored immediately upon completion of their full sentence. Those convicted of certain felony offenses such as murder, rape, incest, sexual crime against children, and treason are not eligible for re-enfranchisement.

    Arizona - Automatic voting restoration upon completion of sentence and payment of all fines for first-time, single felony offenders. Second time felony offenders may apply for restoration with their county after completion of their sentence.

    Alabama - Some persons convicted of a felony may apply to have their vote restored immediately upon completion of their full sentence. Those convicted of certain felony offenses such as murder, rape, incest, sexual crime against children, and treason are not eligible for re-enfranchisement.

    Arizona - Automatic voting restoration upon completion of sentence and payment of all fines for first-time, single felony offenders. Second time felony offenders may apply for restoration with their county after completion of their sentence.

    ...

    The rest are here: http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.r...resourceID=286
    Last edited by MaggieD; 02-12-14 at 12:41 PM.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    No one should lose their right to vote at any point.
    I agree - especially with regard to the dead. Just because they no longer are doesn't mean we can't remember them with a vote - purely out of reverence, mind you.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    So the Constitution is invalid if it doesn't agree with you?
    Uhh, it's not unconstitutional to allow felons to vote. What are you on about?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/op...f=opinion&_r=0

    It's about goddamn time that such laws that fly hilariously in the face of the spirit of the constitution are confronted at the higher levels of government. While I doubt there's currently any political momentum to create Federal laws that overturn state disenfranchisement laws, maybe this will help start the public dialogue needed to do so. Voter disenfranchisement laws are are an utter travesty.
    Common Types of Felonies
    The most common types of felonies are assault/battery involving actual or intended serious bodily harm, all degrees of murder, kidnapping, serious drug crimes, racketeering, conspiracy and embezzlement of large sums of money.

    So these are the people that holder is fighting to allow to vote. Hmm, I think this speaks volumns about Holder and his agenda. He doesn't seem to be inclined about the normal, average American much does he?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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