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6 Million Americans Without a Voice

After the huge failures and resultant dislike and disrespect of Obama and the Liberals, the Democrats are now mining every subset group they can find for a few "victim" votes.

That is why the sudden hot eyed liberal fervor to restore voting rights to criminals, they are actually victims of the law, we just didn't realize it before. I wonder who these people would vote for.

So does the aryan nation vote Democrat or Republican?

Do you really think felon=Democrat?
 
Sorry but that isn't it at all. The simple fact is if you have served your time, done the probation, you shouldn't have voting rights or second amendment rights take from you. I doubt the "felon" vote goes very far with either parties.

If you are a danger to society such that you need your right to vote and second amendment right taken from you, then you shouldn't have been released from prison in the first place. The "you" that I used was a generic one, not aimed at you.

Don't be sorry, your opinion is viewed as just that.
 
Yes, unfortunately I'm aware that many of my fellow citizens are more than willing to strip others of their voting rights should it become convenient to their ideological beliefs. Do you think people who've repaid their debt to society should be forever stripped of their right to vote?

Depends upon the felony. However, in my state the voting rights are automatically restored after incarceration.
 
Yes, unfortunately I'm aware that many of my fellow citizens are more than willing to strip others of their voting rights should it become convenient to their ideological beliefs. Do you think people who've repaid their debt to society should be forever stripped of their right to vote?

No, they should not be stripped of their right to vote forever.
 
Common Types of Felonies
The most common types of felonies are assault/battery involving actual or intended serious bodily harm, all degrees of murder, kidnapping, serious drug crimes, racketeering, conspiracy and embezzlement of large sums of money.

So these are the people that holder is fighting to allow to vote. Hmm, I think this speaks volumns about Holder and his agenda. He doesn't seem to be inclined about the normal, average American much does he?

I know a guy who got charged with assault because he got in an altercation with a bouncer while drunk, at the age of 22.

Never gets to vote again. His whole life.
 
I know a guy who got charged with assault because he got in an altercation with a bouncer while drunk, at the age of 22.

Never gets to vote again. His whole life.

Should ex-cons be allowed to own guns?
 
So does the aryan nation vote Democrat or Republican?

Do you really think felon=Democrat?

Of course, simply compare the statistics of the two largest ethnic groups in prison to the historical voter demographics.
 
Try to keep up - read the thread. :roll:

Maggie mentioned the constitution being "invalid" under those circumstances, but the guy she quoted didn't say anything resembling that.

It's not unconstitutional to block felons from voting, that doesn't make it right.
 
Considering the country's history in regards to taxation without representation, should felons denied the right to vote be freed from tax liability?
 
Should ex-cons be allowed to own guns?

I would not support permanently denying gun ownership rights to any and all felons. Would you?
 
Someone in Wisconsin getting caught in possession of any amount of marijuana a second time becomes permanently ineligible to vote. That's after the 3.5 years in jail. First offense cultivation of four plants or more is also a felony. Do you think this is just?

No, but then a prudent soul might stay the hell out of Wisconsin, or decide not to smoke while there. However, that might just change in April when they vote to legalize.
 
Considering the country's history in regards to taxation without representation, should felons denied the right to vote be freed from tax liability?

And if offered that as a choice, I wonder how many people would take that option?
 
Of course, simply compare the statistics of the two largest ethnic groups in prison to the historical voter demographics.

Yet black religious groups were instrumental in passing CA's gay marriage ban.

Doesnt seem to support you conclusion.
 
Let me ask you, Maggie: do you believe that it's acceptable that someone who's served their sentence and repaid their debt to society should never be allowed to vote again?

That same argument can be made for the 2A right as well. I understand your argument, but as Maggie said, that is currently left up to the states. Since the right was removed only after due process, it is constitutional.
 
I know a guy who got charged with assault because he got in an altercation with a bouncer while drunk, at the age of 22.

Never gets to vote again. His whole life.

That seems harsh, but then, perhaps it's not a good idea in that state to get drunk and fight with people.
 
That same argument can be made for the 2A right as well. I understand your argument, but as Maggie said, that is currently left up to the states. Since the right was removed only after due process, it is constitutional.

Interesting. So you would agree that it's acceptable to ban guns so long as it's the state making that decision?
 
I would not support permanently denying gun ownership rights to any and all felons. Would you?

A year ago, I would have. Since then, I've come to believe that if an ex-con is too dangerous to own a firearm, he is too dangerous to be walking the streets.

I feel the same way about voting, I guess. I also believe that most ex-cons wouldn't bother to vote, anyway, making it irrelevant.
 
Yet black religious groups were instrumental in passing CA's gay marriage ban.

Doesnt seem to support you conclusion.

Not actually true. While black people certainly leaned in favor of Prop 8, they were not "instrumental."
 
I requested more information before answering. Is that Ok?

Is marijuana illegal in Wisconsin?

The post you quoted answered that question, just not directly. If you can't figure out how it already answered the question, let me know and I'll explain it to you. If you could answer it, but asked this question anyway, you're not worth talking to.
 
Let me ask you, Maggie: do you believe that it's acceptable that someone who's served their sentence and repaid their debt to society should never be allowed to vote again?

Excuse me for stepping in, but why is the loss of voting also not part of the debt owed to society? Seems to me, people determined the debt owed to society was not only the fine and incarceration part, but also the voting rights part. Why are you trying to exclude that from the "debt owed" portion?
 
A year ago, I would have. Since then, I've come to believe that if an ex-con is too dangerous to own a firearm, he is too dangerous to be walking the streets.

I feel the same way about voting, I guess. I also believe that most ex-cons wouldn't bother to vote, anyway, making it irrelevant.

But when you say "ex-con," are you picturing a murderer or a liberal hippie college student who was dumb enough to get caught twice with a quarter ounce of weed in his pocket? Because that second guy doesn't seem like he should have basic constitutional rights permanently revoked.
 
Yet black religious groups were instrumental in passing CA's gay marriage ban.

Doesnt seem to support you conclusion.

The most important statistical factors in that vote were church attendance, age and political leaning. Race was actually one of those lowest statistically important factors in the prop 8 vote.
 
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