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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No, what you want is to simplify my argument to the point that it's stripped of its content. Sorry if I won't indulge you.
    That must be "code words" for "I don't want to answer because it will make me look ridiculous". Wow, it's fun just deciding you can ignore what people say and claim they're saying something entirely different and justify it by claiming its "code words"

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Except that all you have to do is say you're sorry and that all goes away.
    Ignorance.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Do any Americans have a voice? I thought the voice belonged solely to the top 2% of earnings and the politicians.
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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Do you believe that people who've served their sentences should lose their right to vote for the rest of their lives, or are you more concerned that ex-felons might vote Democrat?
    The loss of their "right" to vote was part of the sentence. Has been for a longtime now. No different than sex offenders having to register, it is automatically part of the sentence when convicted.
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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    So the Constitution is invalid if it doesn't agree with you?
    that is how these people roll on a consistent basis.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/op...f=opinion&_r=0

    It's about goddamn time that such laws that fly hilariously in the face of the spirit of the constitution are confronted at the higher levels of government. While I doubt there's currently any political momentum to create Federal laws that overturn state disenfranchisement laws, maybe this will help start the public dialogue needed to do so. Voter disenfranchisement laws are are an utter travesty.
    Cant vote or own a gun because you is a felon, well should have thought about that before becoming a felon. Get a lawyer, get your rights back, cant or wont? Too bad.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    The Disenfranchisement of convicted felons from permanently losing voting rights, jury service and firearm possession, seems a little excessive and prohibitive.

    The bar should be set higher for such drastic penalties, especially if you've served a sentence.
    Last edited by grip; 02-14-14 at 01:34 PM.
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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The Disenfranchisement of a convicted felons from permanently losing voting rights, jury service and firearm possession, seems a little excessive and prohibitive.

    The bar should be set higher for such drastic penalties, especially if you've served a sentence.
    My heart bleeds. Before becoming a felon, did any of those things matter to them? No, obviously not.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    My heart bleeds. Before becoming a felon, did any of those things matter to them? No, obviously not.
    You would hope most people would want a sense of fairness applied in all rules, regulations, laws and penalties. Unless you're flawless?
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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You would hope most people would want a sense of fairness applied in all rules, regulations, laws and penalties. Unless you're flawless?
    Define "fairness". What is fair is often defined by the perceptions of the person claiming unfairness. Is it fair that people have to be victims of felons? Will the murdered get their right to vote back when the felon is released from custody? Will the nightmares and mental problems of rape victims just magically disappear when the rapist has finished their sentence? Victims have to live forever with their victimization, so how is it "unfair" that the victimizer must also live forever with the loss of certain "rights" as the result of their victimizing others?
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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