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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/op...f=opinion&_r=0

    It's about goddamn time that such laws that fly hilariously in the face of the spirit of the constitution are confronted at the higher levels of government. While I doubt there's currently any political momentum to create Federal laws that overturn state disenfranchisement laws, maybe this will help start the public dialogue needed to do so. Voter disenfranchisement laws are are an utter travesty.
    What is truly hilarious is that liberals have the gall to cite the "spirit of the Constitution" as a defense of their position. Wonder how you guys managed to miss that the "spirit of the Constitution" is for limited government.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    What I mean is that the inherent purpose of the law I mentioned is to protect the health of the person in question. It defeats the purpose to kill that person as punishment.
    I am interested in the health of the SOUL and to a lesser degree the Mind, not the health of the Body. Those who cannot follow the rules must accept that they will pay the price for doing so if they are caught.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I am interested in the health of the SOUL and to a lesser degree the Mind, not the health of the Body. Those who cannot follow the rules must accept that they will pay the price for doing so if they are caught.
    But that is an improper consideration. Or do you not recognize a distinction between the natural and the supernatural?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    But that is an improper consideration. Or do you not recognize a distinction between the natural and the supernatural?
    I believe that the only purpose for the physical human form is to provide a shell for the Soul. It is only the Soul, and to a lesser the Mind which have value, since the only purpose for this world is to serve as a proving ground for the Soul.

    A 10 year life lived in abject pain, but lived properly is infinitely better than a 100 year life lived improperly, with or without pain.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I believe that the only purpose for the physical human form is to provide a shell for the Soul. It is only the Soul, and to a lesser the Mind which have value, since the only purpose for this world is to serve as a proving ground for the Soul.

    A 10 year life lived in abject pain, but lived properly is infinitely better than a 100 year life lived improperly, with or without pain.
    So you're a gnostic?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    So you're a gnostic?
    Sort of. What I am more is a Spiritualist. I grew up in a devoutly Protestant (Lutheran) family until I was 27. At that age my eyes were opened to the failings of Christianity by the death of my father. I went on a spiritual journey trying to find answers to his death in every organized religion I could find. Some refused to even try to answer my questions. Some came back with the same answers I already knew to be faulty. It was only after I opened myself up to a much broader idea of Spirituality over Religion that I started to find answers that made sense to me and worked.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Sort of. What I am more is a Spiritualist. I grew up in a devoutly Protestant (Lutheran) family until I was 27. At that age my eyes were opened to the failings of Christianity by the death of my father. I went on a spiritual journey trying to find answers to his death in every organized religion I could find. Some refused to even try to answer my questions. Some came back with the same answers I already knew to be faulty. It was only after I opened myself up to a much broader idea of Spirituality over Religion that I started to find answers that made sense to me and worked.
    Out of curiosity, what were the specific issues you had with Christianity?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Out of curiosity, what were the specific issues you had with Christianity?
    Without getting into anything too deep, my father was the most faithful, decent individual I've ever met in my entire life. At the moment he and my mother were about to start living their lives for themselves and not for everyone else (family, job, church, country, etc....) he ends up with skin cancer (from service in the US Military) and after almost 3 years dies on his 54th birthday after the cancer moved into his brain. That really struck me. The most truly faithful and decent person I've ever known and his own God can't spare 2 seconds to help him out in his time of need. That, combined with a number of issues in my own personal life really made me start wondering why I was spending all that time trying to be "good" for a God who couldn't spare any Mercy for the most faithful and decent person I've ever known. It made me start asking why a supposedly loving God would do things like that, or allow them to happen. I couldn't find/get a straight answer from clergy anywhere. Almost half refused to even try to answer it. That's when I started wondering if there really was any value to organized religion, and I came to the answer "NO".

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Without getting into anything too deep, my father was the most faithful, decent individual I've ever met in my entire life. At the moment he and my mother were about to start living their lives for themselves and not for everyone else (family, job, church, country, etc....) he ends up with skin cancer (from service in the US Military) and after almost 3 years dies on his 54th birthday after the cancer moved into his brain. That really struck me. The most truly faithful and decent person I've ever known and his own God can't spare 2 seconds to help him out in his time of need. That, combined with a number of issues in my own personal life really made me start wondering why I was spending all that time trying to be "good" for a God who couldn't spare any Mercy for the most faithful and decent person I've ever known. It made me start asking why a supposedly loving God would do things like that, or allow them to happen. I couldn't find/get a straight answer from clergy anywhere. Almost half refused to even try to answer it. That's when I started wondering if there really was any value to organized religion, and I came to the answer "NO".
    Traditional Christianity does not promise rewards in this world. In traditional Christian thought, suffering is redemptive in nature, and can result in the obtain meant of higher spiritual goods. Indeed, death is the most grievous of earthly evils, yet it directly leads to the greatest good for the righteous. So it would not be correct to say that God showed no mercy on him.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Traditional Christianity does not promise rewards in this world. In traditional Christian thought, suffering is redemptive in nature, and can result in the obtain meant of higher spiritual goods. Indeed, death is the most grievous of earthly evils, yet it directly leads to the greatest good for the righteous. So it would not be correct to say that God showed no mercy on him.
    Traditional Christianity claims to be the religion of a Loving God. The God of the NEW Testament, not the God of the Old Testament. As I said to several clergy members.... "I am not Job, to be slapped in the face repeatedly and expected to say 'Thank you God, may I have another?' with a smile." I understand that the true reward is on the other side of Eternity, but there has to be some sort of if not reward, at least a lack of repeated "slaps in the face" on this side of Eternity to help one get through life.

    That's how I came to understand that the Gods don't give a **** about us as individuals. It's simply a matter of how do our Souls deal with the crap that is tossed at us on a daily basis. Do they continue to follow the narrow path, or do they decide to do what they Want rather than what they Should.

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