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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Which means they aren't true Authoritarians.
    Yes they are. Authoritarians want to MAKE THEIR laws, not follow other people's laws. In this society, authoritarians are shrugged off and eventually they break laws that wind them in jail. Like I said before, problem solved.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    ALL Felons. Period. Regardless of crime. The only way to stop crime is to make its consequences worse than its potential benefits.
    So you don't find it absurd to execute people for endangering their health? Have you not heard of the principle "the parts are not greater than the whole"?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    >" First, let's lay out the facts. Although some felons have been legally disenfranchised, others have not. Specifically, while only four states allow felons to vote while they are in prison, 18 allow felons to vote while they are on parole and 21 allow them to vote while on probation. Only 10 states permanently disenfranchise all felons and another handful do so to some ex-offenders or restore the ability to vote after a time limit...

    The simple answer to your question is that felons can't vote is because voting is a civil right and you forfeit certain rights, temporarily anyway, when convicted of a serious crime...

    Convicted felons have been denied various privileges granted to other citizens going all the way back to ancient Rome and Greece--this practice is laced throughout the common law that serves as the basis for U.S. law..."<

    It's a slippery slope. Allow convicted felons to vote and America could end up having more incompetent Presidents like Obama. And they'll probably want more than the whole nine yards.

    Democrats in San Fransisco are already advocating that illegal aliens who have been in the country after 30 days should be able to vote.

    My dogs also want to vote and knowing my dogs, they'll vote for who ever will give them the biggest T-Bone.

    The Straight Dope: Why can't felons vote?
    I don't know how I feel about preventing felons currently serving their sentence from voting. On one hand I don't see the harm in letting them vote -- hell, it seems that inviting them into greater participation in society could only be good (or neutral at worst), while on the other hand they've already lost their freedom so complaining about their loss of voting rights seems academic at that point.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Here's a question:

    What terrible thing do people expect an ex-con would vote for?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Here's a question:

    What terrible thing do people expect an ex-con would vote for?
    If this thread is anything to go by, "Democrats."

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Here's a question:

    What terrible thing do people expect an ex-con would vote for?
    Why should those who do not respect civil society have a say in how it is governed? Only a person who considered democracy the highest civil good would insist as a matter of justice that felons be allowed to vote.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Obama is for allowing pot. You think if he gets his way there will be less inmates and thus more people who can vote?

    Nope. Just different inmates.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Former felons who successfully complete their probation or parole should have their right to vote restored. Being denied the right to vote is not a deterrent to crime. Having the right to vote restored can help an ex-con feel like they are part of society, which is likely to somewhat reduce the chance of committing another crime. Also, some crimes, particularly drug laws, are an attack on people holding certain world views, in other words, they are largely thought crimes or political crimes. A legitimate democracy (democratic republic) does not disenfranchise people for holding an unpopular worldview.
    I forgot to mention that the USA imprisons the largest share of its population of any nation in the history of the world.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes they are. Authoritarians want to MAKE THEIR laws, not follow other people's laws. In this society, authoritarians are shrugged off and eventually they break laws that wind them in jail. Like I said before, problem solved.
    Ok. I should have said that Authoritarians follow PROPER laws. My bad. Better to be dead than to follow many of the stupid laws your country has on the books.


    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    So you don't find it absurd to execute people for endangering their health? Have you not heard of the principle "the parts are not greater than the whole"?
    I don't find it absurd at all. I understand that a well-oilded machine (or society) must have all the parts working together. If one gear gets out of sync it can ruin the whole machine.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I don't find it absurd at all. I understand that a well-oilded machine (or society) must have all the parts working together. If one gear gets out of sync it can ruin the whole machine.
    What I mean is that the inherent purpose of the law I mentioned is to protect the health of the person in question. It defeats the purpose to kill that person as punishment.

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