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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Maybe you should go back and read the context in which it was asked.
    Asked with the exact same intent you asked and just as sincerely.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Asked with the exact same intent you asked and just as sincerely.
    Would it make your head explode if you were to accept that I genuinely believe it to be unjust for felons who've served out there sentences to be blocked from voting for the rest of their lives?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Would it make your head explode if you were to accept that I genuinely believe it to be unjust for felons who've served out there sentences to be blocked from voting for the rest of their lives?
    Nope...cuz Im certain if you actually gave a **** about this as more than a political tool and a campaign issue you would be already anxiously engaged in a good work with that population you would profess to give a **** about. Hell...I could even respect that. And it shouldnt be too hard for you to demonstrate that this was more than just a typical sad promotion of a purely political agenda.

    Now...personally...I believe felons forfeit rights like gun ownership and yes, voting right. I would also be fine if there were a path for petitioning to regain all rights after a certain set period of time.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    In that I've actually seen some (emphasis on some, by no means is "some" all or even "most") left wing types sincerely argue that currently serving military service members should not be allowed to vote, I find this thread a little funny. I suppose "don't commit a felony offense if you don't want to suffer the long term consequences of being a convicted felon" is not an obvious solution for some reason?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What? No, I asked what's the worst that can happen now that he can vote? I mean directly related to the voting, not his rape-murder hobbies.
    I know bud. I was having a little fun with it.

    So what we are telling him is that even though he has technically served his sentence, he is not really a full citizen because we cannot trust him with all his rights, just some of them. Each right is weighted differently for some Americans.

    Let me ask the same question; what is the worst that could happen if he does not vote? Either we trust he is rehabilitated and treat him as a full citizen with all his rights or we don't. We treat him as a 90% or so citizen.

    Can we really say some rights are worth more than others? Gets tricky....
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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Do you believe that people who've served their sentences should lose their right to vote for the rest of their lives, or are you more concerned that ex-felons might vote Democrat?
    >" First, let's lay out the facts. Although some felons have been legally disenfranchised, others have not. Specifically, while only four states allow felons to vote while they are in prison, 18 allow felons to vote while they are on parole and 21 allow them to vote while on probation. Only 10 states permanently disenfranchise all felons and another handful do so to some ex-offenders or restore the ability to vote after a time limit...

    The simple answer to your question is that felons can't vote is because voting is a civil right and you forfeit certain rights, temporarily anyway, when convicted of a serious crime...

    Convicted felons have been denied various privileges granted to other citizens going all the way back to ancient Rome and Greece--this practice is laced throughout the common law that serves as the basis for U.S. law..."<

    It's a slippery slope. Allow convicted felons to vote and America could end up having more incompetent Presidents like Obama. And they'll probably want more than the whole nine yards.

    Democrats in San Fransisco are already advocating that illegal aliens who have been in the country after 30 days should be able to vote.

    My dogs also want to vote and knowing my dogs, they'll vote for who ever will give them the biggest T-Bone.

    The Straight Dope: Why can't felons vote?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Considering that bringing the wrong kind of potted flower into the country can be a felony these days, I'm starting to agree.
    Obama is for allowing pot. You think if he gets his way there will be less inmates and thus more people who can vote?
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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    If a person is convicted of making and using drugs (without giving it to anyone else), you think they should be executed? For a crime consisting only in endangering their own health? Do you not see the absurdity of that?
    ALL Felons. Period. Regardless of crime. The only way to stop crime is to make its consequences worse than its potential benefits.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Apply that to authoritarians and you got a deal. Authoritarians are worthless pieces of flesh as well.
    If they commit a crime, sure. Unfortunately for you most Authoritarians are the ones who MAKE the laws, not the ones who BREAK them.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    If they commit a crime, sure. Unfortunately for you most Authoritarians are the ones who MAKE the laws, not the ones who BREAK them.
    Yeah, that's why there are politicians in jail, because they don't break laws. Keep telling yourself that.

    I'll just sit back and wait for you to go nuts on some pot smoking guy and then you go to jail. Problem will take care of itself because true authoritarians cannot follow the laws they don't like.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    If a person is convicted of making and using drugs (without giving it to anyone else), you think they should be executed? For a crime consisting only in endangering their own health? Do you not see the absurdity of that?
    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yeah, that's why there are politicians in jail, because they don't break laws. Keep telling yourself that.

    I'll just sit back and wait for you to go nuts on some pot smoking guy and then you go to jail. Problem will take care of itself because true authoritarians cannot follow the laws they don't like.
    Which means they aren't true Authoritarians.

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