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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Former felons who successfully complete their probation or parole should have their right to vote restored. Being denied the right to vote is not a deterrent to crime. Having the right to vote restored can help an ex-con feel like they are part of society, which is likely to somewhat reduce the chance of committing another crime. Also, some crimes, particularly drug laws, are an attack on people holding certain world views, in other words, they are largely thought crimes or political crimes. A legitimate democracy (democratic republic) does not disenfranchise people for holding an unpopular worldview.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    So you want the government to kill authoritarians?
    No, that was in response to Tigger, who is a self-proclaimed authoritarian who believes using alcohol should be under the death penalty. Just throwing it back at him.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Former felons who successfully complete their probation or parole should have their right to vote restored..
    Sen. Rand Paul, who has been trying to attract liberal DEMs with his NSA and drone policies,
    is set to introduce legislation denying voting rights to violent offenders .
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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Former felons who successfully complete their probation or parole should have their right to vote restored. Being denied the right to vote is not a deterrent to crime. Having the right to vote restored can help an ex-con feel like they are part of society, which is likely to somewhat reduce the chance of committing another crime. Also, some crimes, particularly drug laws, are an attack on people holding certain world views, in other words, they are largely thought crimes or political crimes. A legitimate democracy (democratic republic) does not disenfranchise people for holding an unpopular worldview.
    I can say with certainty that Nevada will restore your civil rights on completion of your sentence. The only exception will be possession of a firearm.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, that was in response to Tigger, who is a self-proclaimed authoritarian who believes using alcohol should be under the death penalty. Just throwing it back at him.
    Something tells me that if Tigger's concept of law and order were in place, it would cause people to drink more, not less.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I tend to agree that anyone who has been convicted of a crime, and who has fulfilled his sentence, should regain all of his full rights. If he's “paid his debt to society”, then I see no basis for society to demand more from him.
    Cool.

    I would be much more sympathetic to the idea of felons being treated more harshly, even after completing their sentences, if being a felon meant what it used to—someone who has willfully committed a particularly serious crime. But our body of laws has become so complex and convoluted, that the average American unwittingly commits three felonies per day. Under our corrupt legal system, the only legal difference between you and I and someone who has been convicted of a felony is that we haven't been caught.
    It's a little difficult to take seriously when, if asked questions by a cop I know I should ask for a lawyer. And not because I have anything to hide, but practically speaking who the hell knows what crimes I may be confessing to by talking about something I did that I believe was perfectly legal?


    Now, having said all that, I'll say this as well. Anyone who thinks that Mr. Holder's motive in proposing that ex-felons be given their voting rights is anything but blatantly partisan is an ignorant fool.
    Orrr...Holden is left of center, and rehabilitation over punitive measures are legitimately representative of liberal ideals?

    The Democratic party is the party of criminals.
    Aaaaan I stopped reading there.
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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Let me ask you, Maggie: do you believe that it's acceptable that someone who's served their sentence and repaid their debt to society should never be allowed to vote again?
    All rights should be reinstated, 2nd included. It gets tricky if they were a violent offender though.
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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    What concerns me is the likelihood that many of these disenfranchised felons are republicons...
    You know tax evaders and such...

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, that's certainly the easier way to look at it. Another way, and the correct one if not necessarily the sexier one, is that rehabilitation over purely punitive/life-long exclusive measures is consistently a liberal position.
    Neither has been exceptionally effective. What is effective for one does not necessarily work with another.
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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by BretJ View Post
    All rights should be reinstated, 2nd included. It gets tricky if they were a violent offender though.
    I'm not necessarily so sure about that. let's say Bubba the murder rapist is arrested, serves his sentence and is released after twenty years. What's the worst thing that could happen now that he's allowed to vote?

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