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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's about goddamn time that such laws that fly hilariously in the face of the spirit of the constitution are confronted at the higher levels of government. While I doubt there's currently any political momentum to create Federal laws that overturn state disenfranchisement laws, maybe this will help start the public dialogue needed to do so. Voter disenfranchisement laws are are an utter travesty.
    That's fine. It would help push the need to simply execute these worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen who commit Felonies instead of incarcerating them. THEN they can vote (but only in Chicago).

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

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    The only reason Holder is opening his corrupt mouth is because he thinks he can bring in Democrat votes.
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    Well, that's certainly the easier way to look at it. Another way, and the correct one if not necessarily the sexier one, is that rehabilitation over purely punitive/life-long exclusive measures is consistently a liberal position.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    While some countries do in fact give their felons the right to vote, that is for a different debate. The operative word in this thread is ex-felon, as in, those who have already served their sentences and paid their debt to society.
    There's no such thing as an ex-felon.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Standard semantic nonsense. A republic is a type of democracy, but not a direct democracy. Squares and rectangles, and whatnot.
    Squares are different from rectangles - and this sort of thing is important, not least for reasons pertaining to the subject under discussion. Our form of government is not set up to, and will not benefit from, extending the vote to as many individuals within it's borders as possible as a priority in and of itself.

    It's the single fundamental right to a democracy because without voting it isn't a democracy.
    That is incorrect. Without voting directly on policy, a Democracy is not a Democracy. So, for example, the budget couldn't be passed by Congress, but by referendum.

    And in every one of those cases, the burden is on others to justify restricting a right, not on me to justify why I should have it in the first place.
    Well, no. Voting can be restricted except for certain reasons. "You committed a felony" being pretty good justification.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's fine. It would help push the need to simply execute these worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen who commit Felonies instead of incarcerating them. THEN they can vote (but only in Chicago).
    If a person is convicted of making and using drugs (without giving it to anyone else), you think they should be executed? For a crime consisting only in endangering their own health? Do you not see the absurdity of that?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Considering most felonies are non-violent, victimless crimes, and in some cases, frivolous, I tend to agree.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Should ex-cons be allowed to own guns?
    Yes, they should. If a person has served his time and done his probation, he should be allowed to vote, carry a gun, and have the same rights as everyone else. If they are too dangerous to vote or carry a gun, they shouldn't be out of prison IMO.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's fine. It would help push the need to simply execute these worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen who commit Felonies instead of incarcerating them. THEN they can vote (but only in Chicago).
    Apply that to authoritarians and you got a deal. Authoritarians are worthless pieces of flesh as well.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Apply that to authoritarians and you got a deal. Authoritarians are worthless pieces of flesh as well.
    So you want the government to kill authoritarians?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Do you believe that people who've served their sentences should lose their right to vote for the rest of their lives, or are you more concerned that ex-felons might vote Democrat?
    I tend to agree that anyone who has been convicted of a crime, and who has fulfilled his sentence, should regain all of his full rights. If he's “paid his debt to society”, then I see no basis for society to demand more from him.

    I would be much more sympathetic to the idea of felons being treated more harshly, even after completing their sentences, if being a felon meant what it used to—someone who has willfully committed a particularly serious crime. But our body of laws has become so complex and convoluted, that the average American unwittingly commits three felonies per day. Under our corrupt legal system, the only legal difference between you and I and someone who has been convicted of a felony is that we haven't been caught.


    Now, having said all that, I'll say this as well. Anyone who thinks that Mr. Holder's motive in proposing that ex-felons be given their voting rights is anything but blatantly partisan is an ignorant fool. The Democratic party is the party of criminals. Voting rights for convicted criminals means more Democratic votes. Mr. Holder knows damn well that convicted felons, allowed to vote, will vote overwhelming in favor of the Democrats; and that is why he favors it. If criminals were more likely to vote Republican, you know that he would be solidly opposed to allowing them to vote, as long as he could claim any rational justification for denying that right to them.
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