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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I was actually talking about money and activism prior to the vote.

    Mormons and black churches played a big role.
    So you're suggesting the liberal voters who dominate California are easily swayed by bright lights and slick messages?

    I suppose that rather explains the current state of politics and the economy in California.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    if its shown that they cannot live in adult society then they shouldnt be outside prison in the first place
    Perhaps, but it doesn't work like that at all. You serve your time and you get out. Fitness has nothing to do with the process, other than consideration for parole or early release.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Someone in Wisconsin getting caught in possession of any amount of marijuana a second time becomes permanently ineligible to vote. That's after the 3.5 years in jail. First offense cultivation of four plants or more is also a felony. Do you think this is just?
    You are describing not the injustice of our voting laws, but the foolishness of our marijuana prohibitions.


    What about voter fraud? That's a felony. Should someone convicted of abusing the electoral system be enabled in doing so again?

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Perhaps, but it doesn't work like that at all. You serve your time and you get out. Fitness has nothing to do with the process, other than consideration for parole or early release.
    I agree, I was speaking from an "if I were king for a day, what I would do" perspective, not what currently goes on.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So you're suggesting the liberal voters who dominate California are easily swayed by bright lights and slick messages?

    I suppose that rather explains the current state of politics and the economy in California.
    My reply was to the idea that black and latino felons would all vote Democrat.

    Black and latino non felons voted to ban gay marriage.

    I dont think being a felon changes fundamental ideologies.

    And simple observation strongly suggests that about 23% of Americans of all stripes are totally swayed by bright lights and slick messages.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    My reply was to the idea that black and latino felons would all vote Democrat.

    Black and latino non felons voted to ban gay marriage.

    I dont think being a felon changes fundamental ideologies.

    And simple observation strongly suggests that about 23% of Americans of all stripes are totally swayed by bright lights and slick messages.
    Gotcha.

    BTW, only 23%?. Must be a higher number.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Republicans tend to also be tougher on crime, and more likely to argue that increasing democracy by spreading power to those most likely to be irresponsible with its exercise is harmful to good governance. However, yes, probably the realization that felons would likely overwhelmingly vote Democrat is part of the mix as well. So are you willing to admit that this is AG Holders' motivation, then? Do you think that having an Attorney General who seeks to use the power of his office to enhance the power of his political party - the idea that law enforcement should be partisan in nature - is a good thing, or a bad thing?



    I'm fine with that. These laws are both well within the States' powers, and are examples of responsible governance, to boot.
    And those laws are ultimately discriminatory. I don't buy into the idea of bad state laws being magically good because the state made them.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Gotcha.

    BTW, only 23%?. Must be a higher number.
    I say 23% for the Illuminati Trilogy reference.

    But every time a study comes out counting people who believe complete nonsense, any ideology, its somewhere between 20-25%.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I say 23% for the Illuminati Trilogy reference.

    But every time a study comes out counting people who believe complete nonsense, any ideology, its somewhere between 20-25%.
    Is that right? I hadn't noticed that.

    Well, it's good to be part of the 75-80% group then.

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    Re: 6 Million Americans Without a Voice

    I don't have anything to add other than (baring the Constitution) my thought is that once you serve your time and pay your fees all your rights should be restored. However, what I really came in here to say is that this is a fascination debate. Truly enjoying it.
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