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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    It blew $ 24 billion, which the House would not have given to Unemployment Insurance anyway .
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    Sound advice.
    Aside from giving federal employees a two week paid vacation, what did the last debt ceiling fight accomplish?
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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    Especially since Obama has less than half of Reagan's executive orders .
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    What are you talking about? Obama's use of executive orders or what not?
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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Worked as in got any meaningful result. Far from it it created more of a hole for the government to dig its self out of. Shutdowns don't follow debts like dawn follows night, it was political grandstand by the GOP, and a very rare one that hasn't changed a damn thing. It was a deliberate power play by the GOP three different times to try and force the Presidents at the time to knuckle under (though I'd opine it was just to play to the radical right base)

    This will not change the way things are done in DC, Cruz is doing nothing more than posturing for the 2016 elections. IF the freshman Senator from Texas was serious he'd walk into the Oval office with a significant number for reducing the military outlay, a serious proposal for social security and look Obama right in the eye and say, "now let me see you match this with cuts to what you hold near and dear Mr. President."

    But he has no serious intention of changing anything but the office he holds....
    Again, a government shutdown is nothing but a consequence of a failure of the critters to do their duty. It is not meant to achieve anything but rather a consequence of congress not achieving anything. It's the stick that falls when a deadline imposed to make them come together to pass a budget doesn't do the trick.

    You're perhaps thinking of the brinksmanship that precedes the missing of the deadline, the game of political chicken. And you're wrong there too, political brinksmanship often does yield a winner. Generally someone flinches before the car crashes. No one wins when the car crashes.

    He may be posturing as you suggest, or he may be doing just what the people he represents want, just as he has been. Or it could be both.

    That last is pure BS, Cruz would be in cuffs long before he got 100 feet from the Oval Office. That requires an invitation that Cruz is unlikely to be granted.

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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    Cruz is trying to keep up with attention Whore R. Paul, what with his NSA lawsuit, drones, and Lewinsky/Clinton mantra.
    And Huck and his libido.
    And Sarah reemerging.
    And CPAC coming up with Christie invited.
    And with the Elite-engineered Christie resurrection .
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    He's relevant enough to make you start a thread. How many Cruz threads do you have now?
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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    I love how the Republican establishment in the Senate handled this. There was a reason that it took about an hour for a 15 minute vote. The leadership got retiring Senators and Senators who are safe from Tea Party attacks to break the filibuster. Cruz and his wacko buddies in the Tea Party faction will have no Republicans to attack this year, Senate wise. Of course, they can still whine like little girls.

    Great move.
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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    I'm glad to see this. It seems to drive the left nuts when conservative politicians won't go all roundheels for them.

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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Cruz is trying to keep up with attention Whore R. Paul, what with his NSA lawsuit, drones, and Lewinsky/Clinton mantra.
    And Huck and his libido.
    And Sarah reemerging.
    And CPAC coming up with Christie invited.
    And with the Elite-engineered Christie resurrection .
    Boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Step up your game.
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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I love how the Republican establishment in the Senate handled this. There was a reason that it took about an hour for a 15 minute vote. The leadership got retiring Senators and Senators who are safe from Tea Party attacks to break the filibuster. Cruz and his wacko buddies in the Tea Party faction will have no Republicans to attack this year, Senate wise. Of course, they can still whine like little girls.

    Great move.
    ^^^RINO love.
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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    So you're okay with Cruz hanging twelve of his fellow GOP Senators out to dry on the debt-ceiling.
    Cruz has zero idea of what would happen with a default over his filibuster.
    McConnell asked Reid to not read the roll call, so as to keep folks from finding out which SIX GOPs switched their votes on the filibuster.

    Even if McConnell is getting ripped today by right-wing groups, he should be okay against Bevin.
    This vote, IMO, will help McConnell against Lundergan-Grimes.
    The GOP are spineless in the House in public.
    All credit to Boehner for falling on the sword with his leadership team and blue/purple state GOPs.

    Better ?
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    Boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Step up your game.
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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    And then Reid helped McConnell by not having a roll call vote out loud.
    Helped McConnell gather the 12 total Senators he needed to break the filibuster, who then all voted no on raising the debt.
    At least 28 House GOPs voted yes, giving this legislation the lowest % vote total for the majority party since records began in 1991 .
    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I love how the Republican establishment in the Senate handled this. There was a reason that it took about an hour for a 15 minute vote. The leadership got retiring Senators and Senators who are safe from Tea Party attacks to break the filibuster. Cruz and his wacko buddies in the Tea Party faction will have no Republicans to attack this year, Senate wise. Of course, they can still whine like little girls.

    Great move.
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