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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    If you have to raise the debt ceiling to avoid being a deadbeat, your still doing something wrong!! When observing a timeline of US debt, there are numerous times that administrations paid it down, but it certainly went up and down, and ultimately it took 200 years for us to accumulate 1 trillion dollars of debt. Then Reagan happened (the haha conservative) and in 8 short years that tripled! Bush and Clinton added a couple to it and then Jr. Bush doubled it from 5 to 10 trillion, and it would appear this administration will see a doubling again. Real deadbeats borrow and spend!
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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If you have to raise the debt ceiling to avoid being a deadbeat, your still doing something wrong!! When observing a timeline of US debt, there are numerous times that administrations paid it down, but it certainly went up and down, and ultimately it took 200 years for us to accumulate 1 trillion dollars of debt. Then Reagan happened (the haha conservative) and in 8 short years that tripled! Bush and Clinton added a couple to it and then Jr. Bush doubled it from 5 to 10 trillion, and it would appear this administration will see a doubling again. Real deadbeats borrow and spend!
    No, deadbeats don't pay their bills when they come due.
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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    No, deadbeats don't pay their bills when they come due.
    So let me get this straight. If I max my credit cards and the credit card company doesn't raise my limit, I'm a deadbeat because I won't have money to pay the bills. However, if the credit card company raises my limit and I use it to pay my bills, that is responsible?

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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Really Obama should just suspend Congress. It is treason to not give him anything he wants anyway.
    They should suspend themselves at this point. Congress is too inept to govern and needs serious structural reforms.
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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Really Obama should just suspend Congress. It is treason to not give him anything he wants anyway.

    You righties are funny. You seem to worry about debt only when Democrats has the white house. And just to be fair it is the same with democrats.


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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    If Cruz wants to create another shutdown then more power to him. That's what his constituents want.
    That's fine. First thing to be cut can be Ted Cruz's paycheck. Or to be fair, we'll just cut off all of Congress.


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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That's fine. First thing to be cut can be Ted Cruz's paycheck. Or to be fair, we'll just cut off all of Congress.
    That's what I wish would happen if they don't come up with a yearly budget.

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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So let me get this straight. If I max my credit cards and the credit card company doesn't raise my limit, I'm a deadbeat because I won't have money to pay the bills. However, if the credit card company raises my limit and I use it to pay my bills, that is responsible?
    I can see where you're coming from but trying to discuss the issue within this framework is troublesome.

    The finances of a nation and the finances of a family are two very, very different things and in the same way as when the kitchen table analogy comes up, I have to say it's just not helpful.

    The US has one of the most diverse and complex economies in the world and regardless of what the far right wing may think the economy is as dependent on government decisions as the government is dependent on the private sector to spur growth and provide it with a tax base.

    I understand people are upset about spending, it is mental BUT slapdash decisions like unilaterally stopping the raising of the debt ceiling would **** everything so hard it'll make 2008 seems like a blip on the radar.

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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I can see where you're coming from but trying to discuss the issue within this framework is troublesome.

    The finances of a nation and the finances of a family are two very, very different things and in the same way as when the kitchen table analogy comes up, I have to say it's just not helpful.

    The US has one of the most diverse and complex economies in the world and regardless of what the far right wing may think the economy is as dependent on government decisions as the government is dependent on the private sector to spur growth and provide it with a tax base.
    I'm well aware of the complexities and that it isn't equal, however the concept is still valid. The spending is out of control and the accountability is crap.

    I understand people are upset about spending, it is mental BUT slapdash decisions like unilaterally stopping the raising of the debt ceiling would **** everything so hard it'll make 2008 seems like a blip on the radar.
    The problem is there is NEVER a good time to bring up reduced spending with the party in power. The only time the party in power (This has been decades in the making) ever takes time to listen is when they are forced to. Otherwise it just gets ignored.

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    Re: Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    No, deadbeats don't pay their bills when they come due.
    That too! Of course if you didn't have the earlier deadbeat that's borrowing more than can be paid back, you wouldn't be concerned with the latter.
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