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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Not as "racist" as African-Americans by your definition of racism.

    There also a real risk of social isolation and worse in many settings if an African-American is Republican when it gets to ordinary folks.
    I don't have a definition of racism other than the actual definition. Secondly I've never said that AAs are not racist, some certainly are. And since most AAs are likely to vote Democratic over Republican, I'll even say that most racist AAs are Democratic, however it is clear that the Democratic Party is not the party of racist AAs, but the Republican party does appear to be the party of racist WM. I'm not sure who you think I am, but apparently it's not me who you're responding to.
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    All he had to do was act black by doing and saying what white liberal democrats tell him. Then they'd like him.
    Not at all, but of course for you to feel all drama queen indignant, you have to word it that way. Enjoy your hostile masterbation.
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Yeah that's right. He doesn't act or talk like an African-American is supposed to and they hate him for his refusal to act right for his race. You got it exactly correct. Hell, he forgets his race all the time and what is more despicable than that to white liberals?
    Oh please, liberals would dislike him just as much if he was white, and for the same reasons they already do. Ridiculous that you would espouse such bull**** when it is clear that there are plenty of conservatives with his same views that liberals dislike. It is sitting right in front of you, and yet you go with this right wing claptrap explanation instead.
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Yeah that's right. He doesn't act or talk like an African-American is supposed to and they hate him for his refusal to act right for his race. You got it exactly correct. Hell, he forgets his race all the time and what is more despicable than that to white liberals?
    Oh, bull****. Liberals don't dislike Clarence Thomas because he's some sort of "Uncle Tom." Liberals don't like Clarence Thomas because he votes in lockstep with Antonin Scalia, who liberals also don't like. Does that mean that liberals are biased against Italians because liberals don't like Fat Tony?

    Liberals don't like Clarence Thomas because he rules against liberal interests.
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    True but that supports the idea that they are not racist since it basically says, if his views were different, ie more understandable given his perceived ethnic background, they would be likely to like him. Hence it isn't the color of his skin.
    I wouldn't argue that those who strike against Thomas are necessarily racists (because most would likely not be), but I would suggest that the color of his skin nevertheless influences how he is portrayed by his some of his opponents. Turncoat metaphors are not at all uncommon.
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Oh, bull****. Liberals don't dislike Clarence Thomas because he's some sort of "Uncle Tom." Liberals don't like Clarence Thomas because he votes in lockstep with Antonin Scalia, who liberals also don't like. Does that mean that liberals are biased against Italians because liberals don't like Fat Tony?

    Liberals don't like Clarence Thomas because he rules against liberal interests.
    Actually, I dislike Scalia far more than Thomas. Now, they'll call me racist because I dislike the white one worse. Can't win. But there is another explanation as to why, and that would be my reason.
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I wouldn't argue that those who strike against Thomas are necessarily racists (because most would likely not be), but I would suggest that the color of his skin nevertheless influences how he is portrayed by his some of his opponents. Turncoat metaphors are not at all uncommon.
    Amongst AAs I have no doubt you are right. Liberal elites of non-black colors, I think not. Y'know, both Obama and Cosby have been temporarily shunned by AAs for reprimanding AA men about their parenting (or lack thereof) habits, and other somewhat specifically racial criticisms. I think both of those show more racism from AAs though temporary on both counts, than not liking Thomas. Just my opinion.
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

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    I wouldn't argue that those who strike against Thomas are necessarily racists (because most would likely not be), but I would suggest that the color of his skin nevertheless influences how he is portrayed by his some of his opponents. Turncoat metaphors are not at all uncommon.
    I must be reading the wrong publications because I am not seeing these metaphors.
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Actually, I dislike Scalia far more than Thomas. Now, they'll call me racist because I dislike the white one worse. Can't win. But there is another explanation as to why, and that would be my reason.
    I do too, actually.
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I don't have a definition of racism other than the actual definition. Secondly I've never said that AAs are not racist, some certainly are. And since most AAs are likely to vote Democratic over Republican, I'll even say that most racist AAs are Democratic, however it is clear that the Democratic Party is not the party of racist AAs, but the Republican party does appear to be the party of racist WM. I'm not sure who you think I am, but apparently it's not me who you're responding to.
    It was "you" (the forum you) I was responding to. I don't know the real you.

    I'm in a very white community now, very much old KKK country and Confederate flags are not rare - and in some circles the number is growing. There is a lot of racism/bigotry around here, but most of it is passive and of no real effect. There also are a lot of old folks, so someone saying "I voted for that negro for president" wouldn't be that rare. Does it become racism if another person said "I voted against that negro?"

    Prior I was in basically an African-American ghetto is Chicago. It was far more racist and far more dangerously so in real terms. I can't think of any area around here where a black person could walk and be in danger for his/her race - even where the most Confederate flags are. Not so of a white person walking thru that black ghetto.

    Prior to there, I was on very remote Native American land. Those folks were the most racist and dangerously so of all. Thus the oddity of if I am prejudiced against any "race," it is my own on the wider scale (my ancestry a different tribe than that one on one that was notably not racist in societal functions.)

    What Thomas appears to be talking about is the expectations white liberals put on him because of his race. That he is supposed to be some kind of symbol and voice for his race. Like many presume a female politician would mostly focus on "women's issues."

    Democrats also tend to put issues into racial terms. So if speaking to a group of African-Americans they will talk about Republicans cutting food stamps and social programs, on the presumption that African-Americans are poor and need help.

    Example of what I'm talking about. A private school decided to have some kind of black heritage day, serving fried chicken, corn bread and watermelon. OH HOW RACIST! But I see "Italian" and "Chinese" and "Mexican" restaurants everywhere. Just by the sign I have a good idea of their menu. So they are all racists? Where is the outrage?!

    The media and press have become so fanatical in seeking "gotjas" that they seek any possible way to interpret anything as having any racial context and the shout racist! And the Democratic Party uses this.

    Take the George Zimmerman matter. He could have been guilty as hell, but racism? He had African-Americans in his family. He went to his prom with an African-American date. Had an African-American business partner. Has African-American friends and even who spoke in his defense as not a being a racist. But none of that matters. Florida was a key state and polls showed lackluster support among African-Americans - so it was used. So Democrats and the media left declared him a racist - and still do. That he shot Martin because he was black - with exactly nothing to support that. Even doctored audio tape to "prove" it. That desperate a desire of Democrats to play "the race card" totally indifferent to truth. Maybe he's a murderer, but nothing shows him to be a racist.

    This is not without consequence. An entire next generation of African-Americans have been indoctrinated to believe they are downtrodden, victims and to be angry about it. An entire welfare lifestyle has been established in support of it. The effects on the African-American community is devastating.

    Our oldest daughter - like many teens I suspect - turning some guy down who was African-American would be told "you won't go with me because I black!" trying to use that as an excuse for himself and an accusation against her.

    The hyper and fake sensitivity to race and racism is destructive and worsening. USUALLY if someone is accusing someone of being a racist I don't care to hear anymore of it - because usually its just nothing and I see the person making the accusation as the racist.
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