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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Depending on the type of conservative someone is*, it could be argued that being a black conservative is a bit like being a Jewish Nazi.

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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And perhaps your lean tends to overlook attacks with a race theme by CONs???
    No, I have commented many times on this board about the overabundance of racism in conservative politics. What that has to do with my above post, besides as a means to shift attention, I don't know. But if you need to reduce this to some us vs them argument, I really have no interest

    But the few idiotic verbal attacks pale to the South back in the day. Justice Thomas would have to be a very thin skinned man to point to the very few idiotic and quickly apologized for statements made, but he damn sure played the poor me victim race card during his conformation where no one was attacking him as a black CON....
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by beachbabe View Post
    My husband grew up poor in a very liberal black family. His mom n sister have been on welfare for the better part of their lives. When I met him in 18 years ago he was just starting out in his career after a very rough time in his teens n 20s. He was, as he put it, a "typical inner city black man with no future"; he was very liberal and angry. I, being a southern white conservative, had absolutely nothing in common with him, yet we clicked. As he grew more successful I saw the slow but definite change in his views. His mother n sister refused to accept me into the family and the more successful he became then more his mother accused of trying to be like "whitey". He started to see his family not as victims of racism but as victims of the black establishment. Why is a black man who is successful and conservative a "trader" to the black community? According to my husband it's envy and hate. The leaders of the black community don't want blacks to succeed. If they do, then the power is lost. My husband didn't vote for Obama in either election because of his policies n liberal views. But his family thinks it's because he has been brain washed by the white community. That living and working around successful whites has made him forget where he came from. On the contrary, being around successful whites has made him only try harder to be the best in his field. He wanted the whites he worked with to see he made it because of his hard work and not because he needed affirmative action to get where he was. I admit, it hasn't been easy for him. His family, still after all these years, hardly speak to me, they don't invite us to family functions, and his sister n her boyfriend think he is an "Uncle Tom". The fact that, in spite of all this, he still loves his family and helps them financially makes me love him all the more. I have also noticed that as much as his family ridicules him for his success, they always, always take his money. Is it coincidence that my husband n Justice Thomas have that same common theme weaved throughout their lives? My husband doesn't think so. He knows how hateful the black community can be to those that dare to try to get out of the ghetto. You would think that that kinda of success would be celebrated, but it's not. As for my family, they love him like a son n accepted him the minute I brought him home to meet them. Go figure
    ^ Makes a lot of sense and I saw that attitude often in the poor African-American community (ghetto) in Chicago.

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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I don't think that a family that is so intolerant can be considered liberal.

    One of the common mistakes of a certain type of conservative is the "I did it, anyone can mentality" among people who are successful despite being disadvantaged. That mentality can seem arrogant and insulting to those who aren't as successful and it is not completely accurate. I believe that many more people can escape their impoverished or otherwise disadvantaged background than currently do, but it takes more than willpower.

    Many people do try very hard, but lack the discipline and skills to be successful. The most important factor for success seems to be having a mentor who believes in the potential of the individual and provides hope, guidance and encouragement. The other major factor is the development of self discipline and the ability to focus on a task. For most disadvantaged people, these are skills that needs to be learned and they take time to develop. For many people from middle class or higher status families, these qualities are modeled and taught starting in infancy. As a result , people often fail to recognize that these skills are not innate and don't just happen naturally. Sadly, many low income families are unable to provide effective mentoring and are unable to teach and model self discipline and focus.

    Other problems keeping people from escaping their impoverished circumstances include the neighborhood culture, low quality schools that expect little from the students, racism and classism, lack of work opportunities for teens, family obligations (i.e young people forced to babysit younger siblings or care for an elderly or disable relative), post traumatic stress and other psychological problems, unstable families and homes. If one takes a close look at all these challenges it becomes easy to recognize all the obstacles to success. Outsiders or successful escapees from the lower class telling people with such problems that they just need to try harder is not really helpful and is understandably unappreciated.
    That all may be true but it's not what I said. My point was the intolerance of some in the black community and the far left
    about successful conservative blacks. They are seen as race traders or uncle toms. There should be no shame on people of any race who escape disadvantaged situation to become successful and prosperous. Yes I do agree some who do can become rather arrogant about their successful, some to such a degree that they become the very kind of person they grew up hating. There is nothing wrong with being black and conservative just like there is nothing wrong with being black and liberal. If it's wrong to hate Obama for his color if you're a conservative which some do then it is equally as wrong to hate justice Thomas for his color if you're a liberal which some do as well. It's the hypocrisy of it that's pisses off some conservatives. Just my opinion

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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Rep. Alvin Holmes, D-Montgomery, just said on House floor that he doesn't like Clarence Thomas because "he's married to a white woman."
    5:35 PM - 11 Feb 2014 national review online

    If a white conservative said that about a black woman married to a white man, the left would explode. Should I be offended by what he said? Where's the outrage from the liberal left about that comment against women? Or don't white conservative women count? Hypocrisy at its finest.

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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    This is more than Clarence Thomas has said in all of the SCOTUS deliberations he has sat in on .
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Regardless it's true. That's the point

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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by beachbabe View Post
    That all may be true but it's not what I said. My point was the intolerance of some in the black community and the far left
    about successful conservative blacks. They are seen as race traders or uncle toms. There should be no shame on people of any race who escape disadvantaged situation to become successful and prosperous. Yes I do agree some who do can become rather arrogant about their successful, some to such a degree that they become the very kind of person they grew up hating. There is nothing wrong with being black and conservative just like there is nothing wrong with being black and liberal. If it's wrong to hate Obama for his color if you're a conservative which some do then it is equally as wrong to hate justice Thomas for his color if you're a liberal which some do as well. It's the hypocrisy of it that's pisses off some conservatives. Just my opinion
    The reason that conservative blacks are considered Uncle Toms or traitors by some people is that they ally themselves with the Republican party, which advocate positions that most people consider harmful to minorities and the poor, and contains many racists. Example: many libertarian-conservatives advocate for eliminating the elements of the 1964 Civil rights Act which prohibit private businesses from discriminating in employment and customer service. There is also the fact that many conservatives are self righteous tools with the "I did it, anyone can mentality" I described previously who tell poor people and minorities that they just need to try harder.

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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The reason that conservative blacks are considered Uncle Toms or traitors by some people is that they ally themselves with the Republican party, which advocate positions that most people consider harmful to minorities and the poor, and contains many racists. Example: many libertarian-conservatives advocate for eliminating the elements of the 1964 Civil rights Act which prohibit private businesses from discriminating in employment and customer service. There is also the fact that many conservatives are self righteous tools with the "I did it, anyone can mentality" I described previously who tell poor people and minorities that they just need to try harder.
    When the government establishes programs that provide benefits only as long as an individual only earns less than a specified amount, it has effectively discouraged those individuals from advancing themselves because as you earn more you lose the benefit(s). This has effectively enslaved generations of low income individuals as their incentive to advance is counteracted by the removal of those benefits as they advance, effectively leaving them no better off...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by beachbabe View Post
    Rep. Alvin Holmes, D-Montgomery, just said on House floor that he doesn't like Clarence Thomas because "he's married to a white woman."
    5:35 PM - 11 Feb 2014 national review online

    If a white conservative said that about a black woman married to a white man, the left would explode. Should I be offended by what he said? Where's the outrage from the liberal left about that comment against women? Or don't white conservative women count? Hypocrisy at its finest.
    When I tried to verify this claim I could not find it in on any legitimate news site, only on right wing blogs. The closest I came was an article on examiner.com which reported that Holmes said "his comment about interracial marriage was misinterpreted. 'I said some people might say I didn't like him because he was married to a white woman.'......" The Examiner did not dispute Holmes' assertion about his intended meaning. http://www.examiner.com/article/ala-...to-white-woman


    Note that none of the stories about the comment include the original quote in its entirety. I'm sure there will be claims of a massive liberal dominated media conspiracy to protect Holmes, but I suspect that the lack of mainstream coverage is due to the fact that the claims about this comment are misrepresenting the intended message and context of the comment. (Remember that story about the agriculture dept. employee which misrepresented her meaning a couple of years ago?)
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