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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's exactly what you said!



    My friend, put the shovel down. You've exposed your racism, enough. We get it.
    Umm, your reading comprehension sucks. Just saying.

    As much as you go around accusing people of racism, you must be a libbo.


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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Umm, your reading comprehension sucks. Just saying.

    As much as you go around accusing people of racism, you must be a libbo.
    That's usually what you people resort to, when you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by beachbabe View Post
    My husband grew up poor in a very liberal black family. His mom n sister have been on welfare for the better part of their lives. When I met him in 18 years ago he was just starting out in his career after a very rough time in his teens n 20s. He was, as he put it, a "typical inner city black man with no future"; he was very liberal and angry. I, being a southern white conservative, had absolutely nothing in common with him, yet we clicked. As he grew more successful I saw the slow but definite change in his views. His mother n sister refused to accept me into the family and the more successful he became then more his mother accused of trying to be like "whitey". He started to see his family not as victims of racism but as victims of the black establishment. Why is a black man who is successful and conservative a "trader" to the black community? According to my husband it's envy and hate. The leaders of the black community don't want blacks to succeed. If they do, then the power is lost. My husband didn't vote for Obama in either election because of his policies n liberal views. But his family thinks it's because he has been brain washed by the white community. That living and working around successful whites has made him forget where he came from. On the contrary, being around successful whites has made him only try harder to be the best in his field. He wanted the whites he worked with to see he made it because of his hard work and not because he needed affirmative action to get where he was. I admit, it hasn't been easy for him. His family, still after all these years, hardly speak to me, they don't invite us to family functions, and his sister n her boyfriend think he is an "Uncle Tom". The fact that, in spite of all this, he still loves his family and helps them financially makes me love him all the more. I have also noticed that as much as his family ridicules him for his success, they always, always take his money. Is it coincidence that my husband n Justice Thomas have that same common theme weaved throughout their lives? My husband doesn't think so. He knows how hateful the black community can be to those that dare to try to get out of the ghetto. You would think that that kinda of success would be celebrated, but it's not. As for my family, they love him like a son n accepted him the minute I brought him home to meet them. Go figure
    I don't think that a family that is so intolerant can be considered liberal.

    One of the common mistakes of a certain type of conservative is the "I did it, anyone can mentality" among people who are successful despite being disadvantaged. That mentality can seem arrogant and insulting to those who aren't as successful and it is not completely accurate. I believe that many more people can escape their impoverished or otherwise disadvantaged background than currently do, but it takes more than willpower.

    Many people do try very hard, but lack the discipline and skills to be successful. The most important factor for success seems to be having a mentor who believes in the potential of the individual and provides hope, guidance and encouragement. The other major factor is the development of self discipline and the ability to focus on a task. For most disadvantaged people, these are skills that needs to be learned and they take time to develop. For many people from middle class or higher status families, these qualities are modeled and taught starting in infancy. As a result , people often fail to recognize that these skills are not innate and don't just happen naturally. Sadly, many low income families are unable to provide effective mentoring and are unable to teach and model self discipline and focus.

    Other problems keeping people from escaping their impoverished circumstances include the neighborhood culture, low quality schools that expect little from the students, racism and classism, lack of work opportunities for teens, family obligations (i.e young people forced to babysit younger siblings or care for an elderly or disable relative), post traumatic stress and other psychological problems, unstable families and homes. If one takes a close look at all these challenges it becomes easy to recognize all the obstacles to success. Outsiders or successful escapees from the lower class telling people with such problems that they just need to try harder is not really helpful and is understandably unappreciated.
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I don't think that a family that is so intolerant can be considered liberal.

    One of the common mistakes of a certain type of conservative is the "I did it, anyone can mentality" among people who are successful despite being disadvantaged. That mentality can seem arrogant and insulting to those who aren't as successful and it is not completely accurate. I believe that many more people can escape their impoverished or otherwise disadvantaged background than currently do, but it takes more than willpower.
    I have no background on your conversation, because I just came in, but I would have to agree. I have found that when you have a social and statistical likelihood working against you, without your hard work and determination, it is so incredibly difficult to get out from the path you were almost destined to go to. For an anecdote, I cannot stress enough that every waking moment of my life, I feel like that is all I can think about. I have to see the other side, and do more than many to get to where I want to go. Even with coming success, it feels more unreal than it does real. Then I see the many others who are not quite like me (but still largely grouped in the same category) who despite overcoming a number of odds, still have found their limit. Then there are others who achieve expectations for that group (and even that can be met with praise, because at least you didn't do worse), and it's far less than the American Dream.

    The power of disadvantage should not be undervalued. Not only does it depreciate the circumstances many people have, but it also lessens the degree of success of those that overcame it.
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Already addressed this earlier in my conversation with Fiddytree.
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    I believe what Justice Thomas is doing is comparing a systemic culture of racism in the South to the raking over the coals he got during his Conformation Process for a seat on the Supreme Court. It should be pointed out Justice Thomas doesn't claim the Northern Liberal Elites were racist, just mean to him.

    If you recall his Conformation hearings there were quite a few problems with his past legal opinions and writings, and of course the Anita Hill controversy. Many pointed to how light his back round was in court experience, not that as a black man he wouldn't be up to the task of sitting on the Supreme Court bench.

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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas told a group of college students on Tuesday that race and gender relations are worse now than when he was a kid.

    Speaking at Palm Beach Atlantic University in West Palm Beach, Florida, Thomas, the second black justice to serve on the court, lamented what he considers a society that is more 'conscious' of racial differences than it was when he grew up in segregated Georgia in the days before — and during — the civil rights era.

    The conservative justice who, among other things, has written opinions supporting limits on Affirmative Action, added that 'the worst things that have been done to me, the worst things that have been said about me, by northern liberal elites, not by the people of Savannah, Georgia.'


    Read more: America is too sensitive about race says Supreme Court justice Clarence Thomas | Mail Online
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    'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is too sensitive about race says Supreme Court justice Clarence Thomas.

    My comment.

    A racist is someone who looks at people and events thru racial eyes. So-called "liberals" who analyze every word, event and statement in racial context are the worst racists in the country at this time. Most racist messages on this forum are posted by those who identity their lean as liberal or progressive, although not exclusively.

    For example many self defined liberals and progressives foremost definite President Obama as "the black president,"
    - that his foremost definition to THEM is his race. Therefore, since that is what is MOST important to them they assume is most important to everyone else. Therefore, those who oppose his actions and policies must be because of Obama's race - because they assume everyone shares their racial-measuring of people.



    If you see Obama as a white president you need to get your eyes checked.
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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    If you recall his Conformation hearings there were quite a few problems with his past legal opinions and writings, and of course the Anita Hill controversy. Many pointed to how light his back round was in court experience, not that as a black man he wouldn't be up to the task of sitting on the Supreme Court bench.
    I'm not going to get in some pointless dick measuring contest about it, but most times I here Thomas getting criticized from the liberal perspective, those criticisms seem to center around the fact that he is black and conservative, and that combination makes him some type of racial traitor. Maybe you guys don't notice it much because you are liberals, but when the subject concerns black conservatives that seems the most common point they are attacked on.

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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I'm not going to get in some pointless dick measuring contest about it, but most times I here Thomas getting criticized from the liberal perspective, those criticisms seem to center around the fact that he is black and conservative, and that combination makes him some type of racial traitor. Maybe you guys don't notice it much because you are liberals, but when the subject concerns black conservatives that seems the most common point they are attacked on.
    Depending on the type of conservative someone is*, it could be argued that being a black conservative is a bit like being a Jewish Nazi.

    *which year they want to go back to

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    Re: 'Northern liberal elites treated me worse than the segregated South': America is

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I'm not going to get in some pointless dick measuring contest about it, but most times I here Thomas getting criticized from the liberal perspective, those criticisms seem to center around the fact that he is black and conservative, and that combination makes him some type of racial traitor. Maybe you guys don't notice it much because you are liberals, but when the subject concerns black conservatives that seems the most common point they are attacked on.
    And perhaps your lean tends to overlook attacks with a race theme by CONs???

    But the few idiotic verbal attacks pale to the South back in the day. Justice Thomas would have to be a very thin skinned man to point to the very few idiotic and quickly apologized for statements made, but he damn sure played the poor me victim race card during his conformation where no one was attacking him as a black CON....

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