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US looks to target American citizen with drone strike

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Despite mounting criticism of the US drone-strike program, it appears the US has selected its next target: an American citizen in an unnamed country, according to the Associated Press. The US citizen is believed to be an al-Qaeda facilitator who is actively planning attacks on Americans overseas. Officials are building a case against the suspect to show that the drone strike is legal, constitutional and necessary. RT's Meghan Lopez looks at how many Americans have previously been targeted by US drone strikes - and why.
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Yayyy time to kill more of our own people without due process!
 
In a country that doesn't enforce it's borders, citizenship means nothing. That is the whole point of Liberal multi-culturalism.
 
Ray410 said:
In a country that doesn't enforce it's borders, citizenship means nothing. That is the whole point of Liberal multi-culturalism.
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This has nothing to do with borders at all :doh
 
Ray410 said:
In a country that doesn't enforce it's borders.
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As you say the current USA does not enforce its borders, do you know the numbers related to how many illegals are being deported under Obama?
How about the current number of border agents?
This thinly-disguised attempt by the GOP to create a division between DEMs and the Latino-Americans is recognized and dismissed .
 
So talk about the drones on American citizens instead of borders, one of the GOP talking points .
Ray410 said:
I'm sorry, I thought the thread was about a drone strike on an American citizen.
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Once again, I believe you are sincere with your feelings on drones.

However, with a guy like Rand Paul appealing to Liberal DEMs over drones,
R. Paul is also making his bones right now dredging up all the old Clinton bed-time stories
as a way to destroy Bill Clinton's credibility in the 2014 election as well as the 2016 election .

TheDemSocialist said:
Video @: [/FONT][/COLOR]US looks to target American citizen with drone strike - YouTube

Yayyy time to kill more of our own people without due process!
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TheDemSocialist said:
Video @: [/FONT][/COLOR]US looks to target American citizen with drone strike - YouTube

Yayyy time to kill more of our own people without due process!
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IF they go about it legally, then okay. If a case is made and heard at the very least by the FISA court, though I agree that's just legal cover since they always say okay, but regardless so long as the required legal steps are taken, then okay. Otherwise, this is bull**** and it shouldn't be allowed as the last one was not legal in my opinion, treasonous even.

I don't want to hear an "opinion" as to why the actions are legal or not, as it seems they are going to present. What I want to know is that the clear intent of the FISA court and the laws that enacted it are clearly followed.
 
Ray410 said:
I'm sorry, I thought the thread was about a drone strike on an American citizen.
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It tis.... International borders have nothing to do with an American citizens right to due process. Nothing about "enforcing borders"
 
Revoke his citizenship and then get him. He's basically committing treason.
Honestly though hats off to America only country I've seen that actually raises hell and tries to legally kill it's enemies just because they legally value the principles of being a citizen so much...despite the fact that "citizens" like these couldn't care less
 
Good, get him. What's the problem?
 
I've never understood this objection to drone strikes on Americans who are up in arms against the United States. Why should we engineer our strategy around enemy commanders and operatives just because they are also citizens?
 
Summerwind said:
IF they go about it legally, then okay. If a case is made and heard at the very least by the FISA court, though I agree that's just legal cover since they always say okay, but regardless so long as the required legal steps are taken, then okay. Otherwise, this is bull**** and it shouldn't be allowed as the last one was not legal in my opinion, treasonous even.

I don't want to hear an "opinion" as to why the actions are legal or not, as it seems they are going to present. What I want to know is that the clear intent of the FISA court and the laws that enacted it are clearly followed.
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And how will we know that?
 
Morality Games said:
I've never understood this objection to drone strikes on Americans who are up in arms against the United States. Why should we engineer our strategy around enemy commanders and operatives just because they are also citizens?
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It's a trust issue.
 
Montecresto said:
It's a trust issue.
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The way you get around that is a more vigorous and cohesive interest in the doings of government on the part of the American people. People complain when the government treats them like children, but no organization steps up to properly parent the government.

Realistically, we can't handicap our strategy because people were born here or got naturalized.
 
apdst said:
He gave up his rights the day he decided to take up arms against his country.
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Wrong... You cant give up your rights guaranteed to you in the bill of rights unless you defect to another country.
 
Montecresto said:
And how will we know that?
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That is related but a whole 'nother topic. I believe I inserted enough cynicism in my post to indicate I realize that though a potentially good system exists, it's not utilized in anything akin to a legal or acceptable way. If I didn't assure yourself I'm saying it now.

I can understand why a person in the process of planning harm might be shot before they do harm and/or put on trial. I don't expect police not to ever shoot and kill a person because they didn't have a trial yet. I see this a being akin to that, though the line is quite a bit further out there, hence why we have the FISA system. As you note, the lack of transparency even after the fact of the FISA court and the apparent decision by both the GWB and the BHO administrations to sidestep the FISA system, is a HUGE problem. But how many problems do we have these days because those who are hired/elected/otherwise in charge of utilizing the systems set up to avoid problems are corrupt, lazy, whatever, both in private and government entities.

I keep saying that the biggest problem in USA and perhaps the world right now isn't right or left, conservative or liberal, as much as it's corruption on all levels and all sides. Unions, governments, corporations, the shop owner down the street, all the way down to the kids in high school. For what ever reasons, and I think there are many, our societies have the opinion that "righteous" bad behavior is "justified", and unfortunately "righteous" is a very, very subjective concept. At any rate, my point was and still is, the proper system exists to handle this scenario, it just isn't being used honestly or with integrity.
 
Morality Games said:
The way you get around that is a more vigorous and cohesive interest in the doings of government on the part of the American people. People complain when the government treats them like children, but no organization steps up to properly parent the government.

Realistically, we can't handicap our strategy because people were born here or got naturalized.
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I think that truly people just want to know that the targeted person really is who they say he is, a US citizen who has abandoned (if he ever had any) his loyalty and is at this time working with an enemy of the US to execute attacks on the US here or elsewhere. Having been lied to SO often about SO many things, I'm not going to accept criticism for distrusting presidents. Particularly when they tell me that "if the president does it, it's not illegal" or by presidents that think that they are the unilateral decider and joke (or not) about being a dictator, or by presidents who tell me they don't need congresses approval to go to war or any other thing that a pen and phone will make substitute for.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Wrong... You cant give up your rights guaranteed to you in the bill of rights unless you defect to another country.
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Taking up arms against the United States, in a foreign army, is in effect defecting.

How about you email Obama and complain?
 
Montecresto said:
And how will we know that?
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Not everything needs to be vetted through Montecresto, so it really doesn't matter how you'll know it. Your representatives will know it was or wasn't, and that's what matters. Not what you know or don't know.
 
apdst said:
Are you saying we can't trust Obama?
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Yes! Why, does that shock you? Are you aware that the founders gave us a constitution and the people's Bill of Rights because men are not angels and can't be trusted and thus we have the need for checks and balances, oversight and oversight oversight. Or did you think that only republican governments can't be trusted?
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Not everything needs to be vetted through Montecresto, so it really doesn't matter how you'll know it. Your representatives will know it was or wasn't, and that's what matters. Not what you know or don't know.
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That's where your wrong, and the very reason we have men like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, Jim Sensenbrenner amongst many working to repair programs that have failed us.
 
Montecresto said:
That's where your wrong
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err...no, I'm not? The public doesn't need to know about a great many things. That's your representatives' jobs. Write them a letter or something. Stop trying to get everything released to the general public, it's stupid and dangerous.
 
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