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    Re: US looks to target American citizen with drone strike

    Good, get him. What's the problem?
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    Re: US looks to target American citizen with drone strike

    I've never understood this objection to drone strikes on Americans who are up in arms against the United States. Why should we engineer our strategy around enemy commanders and operatives just because they are also citizens?
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    Re: US looks to target American citizen with drone strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    IF they go about it legally, then okay. If a case is made and heard at the very least by the FISA court, though I agree that's just legal cover since they always say okay, but regardless so long as the required legal steps are taken, then okay. Otherwise, this is bull**** and it shouldn't be allowed as the last one was not legal in my opinion, treasonous even.

    I don't want to hear an "opinion" as to why the actions are legal or not, as it seems they are going to present. What I want to know is that the clear intent of the FISA court and the laws that enacted it are clearly followed.
    And how will we know that?
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    Re: US looks to target American citizen with drone strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I've never understood this objection to drone strikes on Americans who are up in arms against the United States. Why should we engineer our strategy around enemy commanders and operatives just because they are also citizens?
    It's a trust issue.
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    Re: US looks to target American citizen with drone strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's a trust issue.
    The way you get around that is a more vigorous and cohesive interest in the doings of government on the part of the American people. People complain when the government treats them like children, but no organization steps up to properly parent the government.

    Realistically, we can't handicap our strategy because people were born here or got naturalized.
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    Re: US looks to target American citizen with drone strike

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Video @: [/FONT][/COLOR]US looks to target American citizen with drone strike - YouTube

    Yayyy time to kill more of our own people without due process!
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    Re: US looks to target American citizen with drone strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's a trust issue.
    Are you saying we can't trust Obama?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: US looks to target American citizen with drone strike

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He gave up his rights the day he decided to take up arms against his country.
    Wrong... You cant give up your rights guaranteed to you in the bill of rights unless you defect to another country.


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    Re: US looks to target American citizen with drone strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And how will we know that?
    That is related but a whole 'nother topic. I believe I inserted enough cynicism in my post to indicate I realize that though a potentially good system exists, it's not utilized in anything akin to a legal or acceptable way. If I didn't assure yourself I'm saying it now.

    I can understand why a person in the process of planning harm might be shot before they do harm and/or put on trial. I don't expect police not to ever shoot and kill a person because they didn't have a trial yet. I see this a being akin to that, though the line is quite a bit further out there, hence why we have the FISA system. As you note, the lack of transparency even after the fact of the FISA court and the apparent decision by both the GWB and the BHO administrations to sidestep the FISA system, is a HUGE problem. But how many problems do we have these days because those who are hired/elected/otherwise in charge of utilizing the systems set up to avoid problems are corrupt, lazy, whatever, both in private and government entities.

    I keep saying that the biggest problem in USA and perhaps the world right now isn't right or left, conservative or liberal, as much as it's corruption on all levels and all sides. Unions, governments, corporations, the shop owner down the street, all the way down to the kids in high school. For what ever reasons, and I think there are many, our societies have the opinion that "righteous" bad behavior is "justified", and unfortunately "righteous" is a very, very subjective concept. At any rate, my point was and still is, the proper system exists to handle this scenario, it just isn't being used honestly or with integrity.
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    Re: US looks to target American citizen with drone strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The way you get around that is a more vigorous and cohesive interest in the doings of government on the part of the American people. People complain when the government treats them like children, but no organization steps up to properly parent the government.

    Realistically, we can't handicap our strategy because people were born here or got naturalized.
    I think that truly people just want to know that the targeted person really is who they say he is, a US citizen who has abandoned (if he ever had any) his loyalty and is at this time working with an enemy of the US to execute attacks on the US here or elsewhere. Having been lied to SO often about SO many things, I'm not going to accept criticism for distrusting presidents. Particularly when they tell me that "if the president does it, it's not illegal" or by presidents that think that they are the unilateral decider and joke (or not) about being a dictator, or by presidents who tell me they don't need congresses approval to go to war or any other thing that a pen and phone will make substitute for.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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