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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    People also want to limit who "family" is, even when they are blood related, under certain circumstances. Being able to designate individuals as benefactors, regardless of blood relation, physical/emotional relation, or any relation at all, frees a person into defining what system works best for them. There would be a default at birth, obviously, but would be customization available for those that wish it.

    With that in place, the government( at all levels ) can have simple recognition of an individuals wishes, and grant whatever different rules/regulations reflecting this designation. This puts control back in the individual's hands, where I feel it belonged in the first place.
    Some people want to make such limitations, and then in a way that violates already established rules on how they can limit such things.

    In general, it comes down to which gives the most freedom without violating other people's rights. Cost/benefit analysis easily show that having the government recognize legal relationships without extra paperwork or contracts makes things more efficient, this includes spouses via marriage. However, restricting recognition of relationships based purely on traits such as race, sex/gender, religion, the relative traits of these to each person attempting to enter into the relationship, or even things such as height, weight, or hair/eye color does nothing to increase freedom, nor does it serve/further any legitimate state interest at all, in any way.
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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    IMO, I don't even believe our government(s) should be involved in marriage in the first place....

    A marriage is nothing more than a civil contract anyways...

    But since marriage is not a civil rights issue, but rather a 10th amendment issue - it is up to the states to allow gays to marry.

    I mean if homosexuals want the right to marry then amend the ****ing Constitution and define marriage..... There is no definition of marriage in the Constitution.

    So I don't know how gays civil rights are being violated when there is nothing that outlines gays or straights in the Constitution or Bill of Rights, hence there is no "civil right" to be violated.
    Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. As you said, it is a civil contract so the 14th would likely apply.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I cant believe I agree with a gay communist - that is a first.

    The tax thing isn't a problem at all because you can sign civil contracts (and even business contracts) that makes paying taxes in "joint" rather easy.

    It just so happens in many states marriage just makes that process de facto the second you say "I do".

    IMO, what I believe is that gays (not saying you) actually believe that "government recognition of marriage" is some sort of a statement of acceptance - as if the government were to endorse gay marriage that means all 300,000,000 would be forced to accept gay marriage - as if we're all drones who get our morals and ethics via government or something.
    Well I was told and this may be wrong that a civil contract does not give you a slight tax break like a marriage does? and I think thats the reason for concern in my mind.... but yeah I suppose it makes alot of sense for gays to want to be recognized as normal, and accepted by the government.. but I think it would be more benificial for them to not fling around massive dildos, assless chaps, and have sex in alley ways, during there parades forcing there orientation on others. if they could manage that I think it would be much more helpful in intergrating them as normal, and acceptable in our society :/ buuut I digress

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Because progressives and our progressives in government positions PROMOTE homosexuality - which is unprecedented (at least in government).

    If homosexuality is not such a "big deal" to progressives then why the **** do you promote it so much and make an issue out of it?

    You see progressives always need a social war to rely on - that way they can talk **** about imaginary "injustices" while acting like a bunch of activists instead of doing their jobs (which they have absolutely ZERO idea how to do)....
    do you ever make a post you can back up with facts?
    government is not promoting homosexuality lol
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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    1.)Gays have the same CIVIL RIGHTS THAT I HAVE - THAT WE ALL HAVE....

    2.)And yes, government and the progressive establishment is encouraging homosexuality - when you're "gay" you get special treatment, when you're a minority you get special treatment, because progressives want diversity and handout cookies to anyone who claims they're gay or are a minority of some sort.....
    1.) false as proven many times by many posters
    2.) also factually false its equal not special and there is no encouraging lol
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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I would LOVE for a progressive to show some examples of how "gays" are being denied their civil rights....

    Don't even bother with marriage because marriage is NOT a civil right - if our US constitution forbid homosexual marriage our constitution would have been amended LONG ago considering many states recognize gay marriage...

    So give me some other examples of homosexuals being denied civil liberties??????
    been done 100s of times and marriage is in fact a right, nob matter home many times you post that lie or ignorance of the truth

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Some people want to make such limitations, and then in a way that violates already established rules on how they can limit such things.

    In general, it comes down to which gives the most freedom without violating other people's rights. Cost/benefit analysis easily show that having the government recognize legal relationships without extra paperwork or contracts makes things more efficient, this includes spouses via marriage. However, restricting recognition of relationships based purely on traits such as race, sex/gender, religion, the relative traits of these to each person attempting to enter into the relationship, or even things such as height, weight, or hair/eye color does nothing to increase freedom, nor does it serve/further any legitimate state interest at all, in any way.
    With a single designation, there is no extra paper work. Its a simple add/drop benefactor, eliminating any forms related to marriage, etc. No additional "contracts" as they are all one in the same, and would be treated the same. Giving the individual that power is a great balance between bureaucratic red tape and a laissez faire system.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Where are you getting the idea that marriage isn't a right?
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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    please proceed Governor...
    And? You asked for what was special, and I gave you an example.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    The legal area known as "civil rights" has traditionally revolved around the basic right to be free from unequal treatment based on certain protected characteristics (race, gender, disability, etc.) - See more at: "Civil Rights" vs. "Civil Liberties" - FindLaw


    https://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics...under-New-Law/

    ....President Barack Obama has signed legislation that elevates homosexuals to the class of citizens that enjoy special protections under the law...."
    No you are 100% wrong, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties are one in the same in theory, it's just lawyers who love to create precedence and destroy the constitution that makes the difference, hence definitions get reinvented.

    Also NO ****ING PROGRESSIVE HAS GIVEN ME AN EXAMPLE OF HOW GAYS DONT HAVE CIVIL RIGHTS OR CIVIL LIBERTIES.

    Gays have nothing to cry about - this whole "gays are second class citizens" was manifested by a bunch of communist think tank clowns who want nothing more than to divide the public for their own agenda - that way these tyrant ****heads can split us all into groups and pander to groups that will vote them into political office where they can push their anti-American - pro communist agenda...

    If it mattered and if I was an evil authoritarian aristocratic punk like these progressives and RINO's I would use the same damn tactic they're using today to divide us all. I'd pander to certain groups and punish my dissenters just like Obama has done and the progressives in congress are doing today - not because I agree with them or not but because if you can segregate individuals into collectivist groups - you can without question grab 6 of the 10 groups and win an election - which puts you in power hence gives you an opportunity to make your agenda LAW...

    You don't see that tho.

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