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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Say you and a friend are climbing a hill, it's hot and dusty and you're both exhausted. He has a 100lb back pack and you don't. If you split the contents of his back pack, which is carrying supplies for both of you, is he getting special privileges? Or are you just choosing NOT to be a dick?
    So you don't have an answer or any examples or citations - just a half-assed analogy that makes no sense.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    From the article:

    The government estimates that more than 1,100 federal regulations, rights and laws touch on, or are affected by, marital status. With a memo on Monday, Mr. Holder plans to make several of those provisions apply equally to gay and straight couples.

    The federal government will soon treat married same-sex couples the same as heterosexual couples when they file for bankruptcy, testify in court or visit family in prison.

    Eric Holder “In every courthouse, in every proceeding and in every place where a member of the Department of Justice stands on behalf of the United States, they will strive to ensure that same-sex marriages receive the same privileges, protections and rights as opposite-sex marriages,”

    “As all-important as the fight against racial discrimination was then, and remains today, know this: My commitment to confronting discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity runs just as deep,” his speech said.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/us...id=tw-bna&_r=1


    Happy to say we are getting closer and closer to equality even though it has been relentlessly challenged by the close minded and the fearful every step of the way. We evolve despite them.
    Interesting. Why are there special benefits based on a relationship status?

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Gays have the same CIVIL RIGHTS THAT I HAVE - THAT WE ALL HAVE....

    And yes, government and the progressive establishment is encouraging homosexuality - when you're "gay" you get special treatment, when you're a minority you get special treatment, because progressives want diversity and handout cookies to anyone who claims they're gay or are a minority of some sort.....
    I, as a straight woman, personally want more rights, more choices. I want the ability to be able to choose whoever the hell I want to make my legal spouse despite their sex/gender because their sex/gender has absolutely no bearing on their ability to act as a spouse to me. There's no special treatment there since everyone would be able to choose a person of the same sex or the opposite sex to be their spouse. That simple.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Interesting. Why are there special benefits based on a relationship status?
    Because there are special benefits recognized for other types of relationships. It's called "legal kinship" and that is what marriage does for every single couple, provides a legal path to legal kinship for someone not already a legal kin or close enough kin. We recognize children and parents, even siblings and extended family as legal kin, having some legal relationship to others. No reason to not also do so for spouses, and by extension, families of spouses, aka inlaws.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I, as a straight woman, personally want more rights, more choices. I want the ability to be able to choose whoever the hell I want to make my legal spouse despite their sex/gender because their sex/gender has absolutely no bearing on their ability to act as a spouse to me. There's no special treatment there since everyone would be able to choose a person of the same sex or the opposite sex to be their spouse. That simple.
    Another great reason why the government shouldn't have a say in whom you want to call your spouse. It has nothing to do with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because there are special benefits recognized for other types of relationships. It's called "legal kinship" and that is what marriage does for every single couple, provides a legal path to legal kinship for someone not already a legal kin or close enough kin. We recognize children and parents, even siblings and extended family as legal kin, having some legal relationship to others. No reason to not also do so for spouses, and by extension, families of spouses, aka inlaws.
    Which means if everyone had a list of people they wanted to get special treatment, call them benefactors, then the government wouldn't have to have special definitions for this that or the other. They don't need to be involved in an individual's choosing, regardless the reason or nature.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I would LOVE for a progressive to show some examples of how "gays" are being denied their civil rights....

    Don't even bother with marriage because marriage is NOT a civil right - if our US constitution forbid homosexual marriage our constitution would have been amended LONG ago considering many states recognize gay marriage...

    So give me some other examples of homosexuals being denied civil liberties??????
    Where are you getting the idea that marriage isn't a right?

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    So you don't have an answer or any examples or citations - just a half-assed analogy that makes no sense.
    Think about it.
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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Interesting. Why are there special benefits based on a relationship status?
    How are they "special"?
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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I, as a straight woman, personally want more rights, more choices. I want the ability to be able to choose whoever the hell I want to make my legal spouse despite their sex/gender because their sex/gender has absolutely no bearing on their ability to act as a spouse to me. There's no special treatment there since everyone would be able to choose a person of the same sex or the opposite sex to be their spouse. That simple.
    IMO, I don't even believe our government(s) should be involved in marriage in the first place....

    A marriage is nothing more than a civil contract anyways...

    But since marriage is not a civil rights issue, but rather a 10th amendment issue - it is up to the states to allow gays to marry.

    I mean if homosexuals want the right to marry then amend the ****ing Constitution and define marriage..... There is no definition of marriage in the Constitution.

    So I don't know how gays civil rights are being violated when there is nothing that outlines gays or straights in the Constitution or Bill of Rights, hence there is no "civil right" to be violated.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    How are they "special"?
    You mean like tax bracket definition differences?

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