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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The impacts can be quite various and unexpected, where large numbers change their behavior and legal or even ethical fundamentals are changed. I mean, that doesn't take much imagination. It doesn't take a rocket scientist.
    Are you suggesting that you have some idea of what that impact would be?
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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Are you suggesting that you have some idea of what that impact would be?
    I am only saying that it will take a long time before we can see what the impacts are, in which areas some of these might be and how a research project could be structured to get a certain grip on the questiin.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Good. Now is everybody happy? Do you think we can get back to issues that affect the other 98% of the population?
    You use this argument a lot. "They're only X percent of the population, so this is insignificant." Well, guess what. I don't care if they're 0.1% of the population. Right is right, wrong is wrong, equality is equality and civil rights are civil rights.

    Also, we are capable of multitasking. Just because gay rights are being passed does not mean all other issues are being placed on the back burner.
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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You use this argument a lot. "They're only X percent of the population, so this is insignificant." Well, guess what. I don't care if they're 0.1% of the population. Right is right, wrong is wrong, equality is equality and civil rights are civil rights.

    Also, we are capable of multitasking. Just because gay rights are being passed does not mean all other issues are being placed on the back burner.
    I'm glad you feel that way. I suppose that means you will join me in opposition to those against the 2nd amendment, Christian bashing, government spying and the Federal Reserve feeding the stock market with counterfeit money. Good to have you aboard, Dude.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I'm glad you feel that way. I suppose that means you will join me in opposition to those against the 2nd amendment, Christian bashing, government spying and the Federal Reserve feeding the stock market with counterfeit money. Good to have you aboard, Dude.
    I'll ask you not to tell me what my views are, thanks. I don't really care about alleged "Christian bashing;" my thoughts on the other things you listed are on this forum.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I'll ask you not to tell me what my views are, thanks. I don't really care about alleged "Christian bashing;" my thoughts on the other things you listed are on this forum.
    Well in that case I'll leave it to the gay crowd handle their own issues. They seem to have a loud enough voice to be heard. I'm not gay, and I don't need another issue to support. Don't think it's really a matter of for or against, it's just not my issue.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The impacts can be quite various and unexpected, where large numbers change their behavior and legal or even ethical fundamentals are changed. I mean, that doesn't take much imagination. It doesn't take a rocket scientist.
    You should really ponder why you can't actually answer the question.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Well in that case I'll leave it to the gay crowd handle their own issues. They seem to have a loud enough voice to be heard. I'm not gay, and I don't need another issue to support. Don't think it's really a matter of for or against, it's just not my issue.
    People have the right to criticize Christians. It's that first amendment thing.

    People particularly have the right to criticize Christians who actively work to suppress the civil rights of others.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You should really ponder why you can't actually answer the question.
    Oh, that is quite normal with sociological topics of complex interactions, many leads and lags of varying lengths and large populations involved. I am surprised you wouldn't know that. Such processes are never straight forward or mostly even vaguely fortellable. It is quite naive to demand predictions, especially without research. If you pay me, however, I will put together a proposal of how to structure the studies.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The impacts can be quite various and unexpected, where large numbers change their behavior and legal or even ethical fundamentals are changed. I mean, that doesn't take much imagination. It doesn't take a rocket scientist.
    Yes, there can be mystery impacts down the road, but in the absence of a concrete working theory as to what negative impacts there may be, there's no reason not to move ahead and give gays the same rights everyone else has.

    Should we have given women in only one state the right to vote and then waited for the long term impacts to be observed in order to better understand the ramifications of giving them that right?

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