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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Well I think gays making out in the street as if they're about to screw right then and there is "shoving it down my throat" and I also think when I watch a TV show (which I rarely do now) homosexuality is being shoved down my throat because almost every TV show revolves around race and sexuality and every show these days has to have a gay couple - as if every ****ing family knows a gay couple and allow them to get affectionate on their couch and they find it "cute" and an act of progress.

    Like I said previously - I don't give a **** what people do or who they screw in their bedroom - just don't take your bedroom activities and display them in public to make a political statement in an attempt to piss people off.
    Ah, so it would seem that not staying in the shadows and hiding what they are constitutes as "shoving it down your throat." Raw deal, man. But unfortunately you're going to have to tolerate them existing because they're not going anywhere, and the trend is increasing rights and tolerance for their existence.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Sorry, I'm done talking about gay marriage and offering loopholes around this nonsense. This is a boring subject that I don't really give a **** about when there are REAL problems and injustices happening in the United States, so I'm going to bounce from this topic.

    I'll check it out later.
    Frankly. given how you describe yourself as a victim of the gays because they do not have the decency to hide their very existence from you and you are willing to reject portions of the Constitution that protect individual rights I somehow doubt your characterization of this issue as boring and not something you care about. It seems like your faith is in conflict with your reason and you are doing mental gymnastics to find some sort of middle ground compromise while making it abundantly clear how distasteful you find the politics around homosexuality and the very existence of gays.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The laws are already there, already enacted for marriage. The states screw it up by not recognizing marriages from other states and that is the main issue. Do you really think that first cousins who marry in one state that it is allowed have to worry about their marriages not being recognized by the other state they move to or fully by the federal government? I'm willing to bet it doesn't become an issue because most likely the new state doesn't even check to see whether the two were first cousins or not. It is only an issue with same sex marriages because their sexes/genders are legally known to the state without any extra effort to find it out.
    No, I get what you are trying to say, but this isn't about that at all. This is about FEDERAL benefits/regulations, not state benefits/regulations. Has nothing to do with state to state portability.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, I get what you are trying to say, but this isn't about that at all. This is about FEDERAL benefits/regulations, not state benefits/regulations.
    The federal laws are still there though, still written to cover marriages recognized by the federal government. And I specifically mentioned the federal government. Do first cousins lose their federal recognition as spouses if they are married and move to another state that does not allow them to marry or would not recognize their marriage? Can you show where this has happened? Heck, we know that the federal government doesn't even quit recognizing couples as married when one legally changes their sex/gender yet that makes them a same sex couple married in any state. It was a major flaw in the argument for DOMA before the federal definition of marriage part was struck down because the federal government actually did recognize some same sex couples because they could not simply stop recognizing couples that were already legally married.
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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The federal laws are still there though, still written to cover marriages recognized by the federal government. And I specifically mentioned the federal government. Do first cousins lose their federal recognition as spouses if they are married and move to another state that does not allow them to marry or would not recognize their marriage? Can you show where this has happened? Heck, we know that the federal government doesn't even quit recognizing couples as married when one legally changes their sex/gender yet that makes them a same sex couple married in any state. It was a major flaw in the argument for DOMA before the federal definition of marriage part was struck down because the federal government actually did recognize some same sex couples because they could not simply stop recognizing couples that were already legally married.
    correct, from my article and new actual news story and link

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...marriages.html
    Same-Sex Spouses Get New Federal Rights, Holder Says - WSJ.com

    The move is the latest in a series by the Obama administration to extend equal rights to those in legal same-sex marriages. It comes in the wake of the Supreme Court decision last year that struck down a provision of the Defense of Marriage Act that defined marriage as between a man and woman. The Justice Department has been reviewing federal rules and regulations to see what it can legally change on its own without legislation from Congress.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    You mean like tax bracket definition differences?
    how does allowing gays to have the same tax benefits as heterosexual couples equal special treatment?
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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The federal laws are still there though, still written to cover marriages recognized by the federal government. And I specifically mentioned the federal government. Do first cousins lose their federal recognition as spouses if they are married and move to another state that does not allow them to marry or would not recognize their marriage? Can you show where this has happened? Heck, we know that the federal government doesn't even quit recognizing couples as married when one legally changes their sex/gender yet that makes them a same sex couple married in any state. It was a major flaw in the argument for DOMA before the federal definition of marriage part was struck down because the federal government actually did recognize some same sex couples because they could not simply stop recognizing couples that were already legally married.
    Once again, the OP topic doesn't address state to state movement at all, that's not the issue here. This concerns federal regulations/benefits regardless if the married couple never moves from the state where they were married. It's not about portability, but which marriages/unions/contracts the Congress has determined will receive federal benefits.

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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again, the OP topic doesn't address state to state movement at all, that's not the issue here. This concerns federal regulations/benefits regardless if the married couple never moves from the state where they were married. It's not about portability, but which marriages/unions/contracts the Congress has determined will receive federal benefits.
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    Same-Sex Spouses Get New Federal Rights, Holder Says - WSJ.com

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    The move is the latest in a series by the Obama administration to extend equal rights to those in legal same-sex marriages. It comes in the wake of the Supreme Court decision last year that struck down a provision of the Defense of Marriage Act that defined marriage as between a man and woman. The Justice Department has been reviewing federal rules and regulations to see what it can legally change on its own without legislation from Congress.
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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again, the OP topic doesn't address state to state movement at all, that's not the issue here. This concerns federal regulations/benefits regardless if the married couple never moves from the state where they were married. It's not about portability, but which marriages/unions/contracts the Congress has determined will receive federal benefits.
    It concerns what the federal government recognizes as married couples. This wouldn't be an issue at all if all states simply obeyed the US Constitution and treated people equally under their laws, by removing gender restrictions within their marriage laws. The federal government recognizes people as married. Legal marriage certificate from any state gives legal marriage recognition to the couple under federal law, unless you want to show where it doesn't excluding same sex couples that legally marry as such.
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    Re: More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    The Justice Department has been reviewing federal rules and regulations to see what it can legally change on its own without legislation from Congress.
    Precisely, and Holder and his boss have shown they believe they can make an end run. Their judgement is seriously flawed in this and not to be trusted.

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