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    Re: Not a 'Smidgen' of Corruption? Witnesses Say the IRS Targeting Scandal Is Real -

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Actually..you're in fantasy rightwing world with bad information.
    Kind of like you folks thought Romney would win in a landslide.
    No, a fantasy wonderland is ignoring the fact that Lois Lerner first apologize and then took tthe Fifth under oath so as " not to incriminate herself ".

    Your best argument ( justification ) is to claim the IRS was being pro-active with their apology for actions that could have been percieved as targeting.

    LOL !! Bull.

    Where was their apology in 2009, 2010 and 2011 ??

    You know, for a percieved taregting of Conservative groups ?

    And did the low level Cinci employees sik the ATF and OSHA on that lady from Texas ? Did they release the private donor information ?

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    Re: Not a 'Smidgen' of Corruption? Witnesses Say the IRS Targeting Scandal Is Real -

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    He probably would have won if it weren't for progressive malfeasance like sicking the IRS on opponents during an election cycle.
    Yeah...because there was no avenue open for conservatives to get their message out beyond claiming they are a social welfare group....

    Maybe there would of been more conservative dark money in the election but hey...cry me a river...everyone that currently has that status should lose it and no political group should have the status in the first place.
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    Re: Not a 'Smidgen' of Corruption? Witnesses Say the IRS Targeting Scandal Is Real -

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, a fantasy wonderland is ignoring the fact that Lois Lerner first apologize and then took tthe Fifth under oath so as " not to incriminate herself ".
    Of course....any sane person would. It was a witch hunt like every "scandal" has turned out being. The Republicans cast a huge net to try and find anything and will attack anyone if they can remotely use it to damage the President. Also..are you saying she can't plead the 5th? You are aware that there were a couple of people in the Bush administration that pled the 5th because they believed minds were already made up by Congress...

    Your best argument ( justification ) is to claim the IRS was being pro-active with their apology for actions that could have been percieved as targeting.

    LOL !! Bull.

    Where was their apology in 2009, 2010 and 2011 ??

    You know, for a percieved taregting of Conservative groups ?
    I'm glad you used perceived. Testimony from actual hearings had the individual (a Republican voter mind you) say that he ordered the scrutiny on groups that were political seeking social welfare status. He said it was never ordered by anyone from up top and he wasn't targeting specific organizations...that they just received a flood of applications that were Tea Party groups seeking social welfare status.

    Of course...the Congressional comittee sealed the interview at the time so were were operating on what they told us. After the real story came out they knew from the get go no one was being targeted...but hey...why destroy your own narrative with facts?

    And did the low level Cinci employees sik the ATF and OSHA on that lady from Texas ? Did they release the private donor information ?
    I don't know did they? you understand when something happens it isn't by default targeting or an order by the administration right? That seems to be the problem with conservatives....everything needs to be tied back to the President and everything needs to be a result of "Chicago Politics" as conservatives like to say.
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    Re: Not a 'Smidgen' of Corruption? Witnesses Say the IRS Targeting Scandal Is Real -

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Yeah...because there was no avenue open for conservatives to get their message out beyond claiming they are a social welfare group....
    IMO, it is in the 'social welfare' to educate people on fair voting practices, also on the issues of the day.

    Maybe there would of been more conservative dark money in the election but hey...cry me a river...everyone that currently has that status should lose it and no political group should have the status in the first place.
    Oh, ok...So everyone looses the tax exempt status eh? I'll take you at your word..........For now.
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    Re: Not a 'Smidgen' of Corruption? Witnesses Say the IRS Targeting Scandal Is Real -

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Of course....any sane person would. It was a witch hunt like every "scandal" has turned out being. The Republicans cast a huge net to try and find anything and will attack anyone if they can remotely use it to damage the President. Also..are you saying she can't plead the 5th? You are aware that there were a couple of people in the Bush administration that pled the 5th because they believed minds were already made up by Congress...


    I'm glad you used perceived. Testimony from actual hearings had the individual (a Republican voter mind you) say that he ordered the scrutiny on groups that were political seeking social welfare status. He said it was never ordered by anyone from up top and he wasn't targeting specific organizations...that they just received a flood of applications that were Tea Party groups seeking social welfare status.

    Of course...the Congressional comittee sealed the interview at the time so were were operating on what they told us. After the real story came out they knew from the get go no one was being targeted...but hey...why destroy your own narrative with facts?


    I don't know did they? you understand when something happens it isn't by default targeting or an order by the administration right? That seems to be the problem with conservatives....everything needs to be tied back to the President and everything needs to be a result of "Chicago Politics" as conservatives like to say.
    Where there is smoke there is fire....
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    Re: Not a 'Smidgen' of Corruption? Witnesses Say the IRS Targeting Scandal Is Real -

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I didn't know this repetitious mantra was coming.
    I better come up with my lame response to it and then hit repeat .
    LOL, be my guest. It is not that I trust the Republicans in the house either. In fact I haven't paid them much if any attention. What I think is needed or was needed is a career FBI agent who is not tied to the administration to do the investigation. I don't trust the Republican House and I don't trust an Obama crony to do the investigation, but would a career FBI officer with no political ties. It is that simple my friend.
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    Re: Not a 'Smidgen' of Corruption? Witnesses Say the IRS Targeting Scandal Is Real -

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    IMO, it is in the 'social welfare' to educate people on fair voting practices, also on the issues of the day.
    Those are political groups. We have non profit status for those too...the difference is you have to disclose information...so that voters can actually inform themselves on who exactly is selling them a specific bill of goods rather than the name of the group like "group of concerned voters" or "people that love America" etc etc.

    Oh, ok...So everyone looses the tax exempt status eh? I'll take you at your word..........For now.
    Not tax exempt status. There are tax statuses a political organization is labeled that means that both they are doing good (part of the democratic process) but have to disclose information about their donors.

    Social Welfare groups of course are generally considered non-political and don't have to disclose their donors.

    As of now...Karl Roves group and Soros' group both have the "social welfare" group status. I think they should both be stripped of it and have to disclose their donors...that way we can be informed.

    Money may be speech but if you're going to try to sell something to me through speech than stand by it. Don't cower behind "dark money"
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    Re: Not a 'Smidgen' of Corruption? Witnesses Say the IRS Targeting Scandal Is Real -

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Where there is smoke there is fire....
    Maybe...but if after years nothing can be found maybe it's just smoke.
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    Re: Not a 'Smidgen' of Corruption? Witnesses Say the IRS Targeting Scandal Is Real -

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    In fact I haven't paid them much if any attention.
    What I think is needed or was needed is a career FBI agent who is not tied to the administration to do the investigation..
    Do you think there are any career FBI agents left who are non-partisan?
    They've all been appointed/hired under one patronage system or another.
    It's like we have an FBI of "moles", each spying on the other party and leaking damaging information.

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    Re: Not a 'Smidgen' of Corruption? Witnesses Say the IRS Targeting Scandal Is Real -

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Not a smidgeon of truth... from the president.
    Actually, he has an amazing ability to compose his responses to avoid lying.

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